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estación seca 09-14-2015 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafmite (Post 772018)
Naturally, for some of us, it is necessary to make a few concessions for the [ XXX ] to be happy. The challenge of figuring out what concessions is what makes [ YYY ] forever interesting and fun.

Instead of XXX = "plants" and YYY = "the hobby" substitute "significant other" and "relationship" ROFLUIC

Leafmite 09-14-2015 03:01 PM

In everything, if one is to succeed, one must adapt.

You should join the project! I know your environment is not exactly perfect for the orchid but Ohio isn't, either. If I can grow and bloom a Theobroma cacao (chocolate tree) here, I bet you can grow the Amesiella monticola with a little bit of adapting. It would be so much fun to have you join us! :)

LovePhals 09-14-2015 07:30 PM

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Hi all,
I have enjoyed looking at everyone's pictures, so thought I would post a picture of mine. Here is what mine is looking like these days. I may try the clay pot humidity idea this winter when humidity lowers. My amesiella will also be by a humidifier. I am trying to plan ahead so I don't loose my cute little plant!

MattWoelfsen 09-14-2015 09:15 PM

Is it me, or does this plant look like Phalaenopsis? If it wasn't for the flowers...

judith_arquette 09-14-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen (Post 772060)
Is it me, or does this plant look like Phalaenopsis? If it wasn't for the flowers...

I agree 100%, which terrified me at first because the only success I'd had with phals was being able to totally murder them...over 20 of the poor things until I FORBADE my husband from buying me any more. Fortunately I seem to be doing better with this.

gngrhill 09-14-2015 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LovePhals (Post 772053)
Hi all,
I have enjoyed looking at everyone's pictures, so thought I would post a picture of mine. Here is what mine is looking like these days. I may try the clay pot humidity idea this winter when humidity lowers. My amesiella will also be by a humidifier. I am trying to plan ahead so I don't loose my cute little plant!

Looks like a flower spike on there :waving

theloyalplum 09-14-2015 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LovePhals (Post 771941)

What do you think happened to yours/ or why it's yellowing any ideas? I wonder if the people that are getting new growths ect. can help you. I am sorry yours is having trouble.

I haven't the slightest clue. It started just recently and it will be onto 3 leaves lost soon over the past few weeks. It gets a good amount of indirect sun since it's nestled between my larger ones and a consistent minimum 60% humidity. Weird part is that it's maintained it's roots, they're nice and plump and turn green when watered, but it just loves to lose leaves! I'm stumped. I've cut down my fertilizing quite a bit until it puts out growth but continued using seaweed. I'm just trying to be positive at this point with 2 root nubbins going and trying not to disturb any of the media/roots. But the leaves start turning yellow at the stem. It's not rot as far as I'm concerned, but... maybe it just doesn't like me. :(

estación seca 09-15-2015 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Leafmite (Post 772028)
In everything, if one is to succeed, one must adapt.

You should join the project! I know your environment is not exactly perfect for the orchid but Ohio isn't, either. If I can grow and bloom a Theobroma cacao (chocolate tree) here, I bet you can grow the Amesiella monticola with a little bit of adapting. It would be so much fun to have you join us! :)

Thanks... I fear my house is just too warm in the summer. I would have to use some kind of enclosure with a cooling system, and I don't want to do that.

wintergirl 09-15-2015 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by estación seca (Post 772095)
Thanks... I fear my house is just too warm in the summer. I would have to use some kind of enclosure with a cooling system, and I don't want to do that.

How about mounting on a Kool-log?

shadytrake 09-15-2015 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by theloyalplum (Post 772074)
I haven't the slightest clue. It started just recently and it will be onto 3 leaves lost soon over the past few weeks. It gets a good amount of indirect sun since it's nestled between my larger ones and a consistent minimum 60% humidity. Weird part is that it's maintained it's roots, they're nice and plump and turn green when watered, but it just loves to lose leaves! I'm stumped. I've cut down my fertilizing quite a bit until it puts out growth but continued using seaweed. I'm just trying to be positive at this point with 2 root nubbins going and trying not to disturb any of the media/roots. But the leaves start turning yellow at the stem. It's not rot as far as I'm concerned, but... maybe it just doesn't like me. :(

If the roots are in good condition but you have leaf yellowing, you most likely have Anthracnose or Erwinia. Remember the symptoms do not always present themselves exactly as the descriptions state. Orchids are such a varied genera, each one can present differences but be the same infection.

The good news is that you can spray and probably save your plant. Captan 50W, Liquid Copper, or Phyton 27 will treat both of these. Or if you want to treat separately, Daconil will treat the Erwinia and Mancozeb will treat Anthracnose.

The bad news is that you need to treat quickly. Erwinia can kill very fast. Anthracnose not so much...slower. Erwinia is way aggressive and most common especially in high humidity, high watering environments.

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This is my "go to" reference for problems. http://www.phelpsfarm.com/OrchidPestsandDiseases.pdf

theloyalplum 09-15-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by shadytrake (Post 772131)
If the roots are in good condition but you have leaf yellowing, you most likely have Anthracnose or Erwinia. Remember the symptoms do not always present themselves exactly as the descriptions state. Orchids are such a varied genera, each one can present differences but be the same infection.

The good news is that you can spray and probably save your plant. Captan 50W, Liquid Copper, or Phyton 27 will treat both of these. Or if you want to treat separately, Daconil will treat the Erwinia and Mancozeb will treat Anthracnose.

The bad news is that you need to treat quickly. Erwinia can kill very fast. Anthracnose not so much...slower. Erwinia is way aggressive and most common especially in high humidity, high watering environments.

---------- Post added at 09:58 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 AM ----------

This is my "go to" reference for problems. http://www.phelpsfarm.com/OrchidPestsandDiseases.pdf

Thanks! I'll check it out. :( I've quarantined it already, but if it is then I am sad. Why me? Why? And of all the times, it chooses the busiest time of my semester!

Leafmite 09-15-2015 12:27 PM

Yes, if the leaves are dropping off and the infection starts from the stem, unfortunately, it isn't Iron deficiency. :(
I haven't used the other fungicides but if you use Captan, you need to spray it outside with protective gear and let it dry outside. It is what I use on my fruit trees. If your college has a greenhouse or does any research with plants, perhaps they would be willing to help you with treating your Amesiella.
Good luck!

RandomGemini 09-16-2015 01:11 AM

Checking in! Been busy for the entire summer because we got a puppy, but my plant is still alive! I'm still growing it in the pot it was purchased in and so far, it seems to be doing fine. Lots of new root growth. I doubt I will see a spike this year, but I'll take the growth!

Mandy2705 09-16-2015 11:16 AM

Amesiella monticola (project 16 [main] - spring 2015)
 
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Did a close inspection of my monticola this morning and found that it is growing a new root and mmmmaybe something else? Too early to tell, it seems kinda big of a nubbin to be a spike, but only time will tell :)http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...9a5ed6095e.jpg the clear new root is right in the middle of the two lowest leaves and the mystery nubbin is right about the lowest right leaf. Also, the new leaf is taking it's time to grow VERY slowly lol

Leafmite 09-16-2015 08:26 PM

It will be interesting to see if yours is developing a bud. I am just happy mine is continuing to grow.

gngrhill 09-16-2015 11:40 PM

I'm so disappointed. Most everyone has new growth, new roots, even a couple of spikes and I still have the same plant I got way back when. I have read all posts trying to see what I might have missed, but have not gleaned any answers :)
I have mine in a net pot with bark, water every 2 or 3 days, fertilize every other week, quantum (probiotic) every other week. It's under the t-5s about 18 inches away in a fish bowl with lava rock and water for humidity. The humidity in the room is 55 to 65%
I don't know what I'm missing. It looks healthy, roots are green, but nothing seems to be growing.

estación seca 09-17-2015 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gngrhill (Post 772323)
I'm so disappointed. Most everyone has new growth, new roots, even a couple of spikes and I still have the same plant I got way back when. I have read all posts trying to see what I might have missed, but have not gleaned any answers :)
I have mine in a net pot with bark, water every 2 or 3 days, fertilize every other week, quantum (probiotic) every other week. It's under the t-5s about 18 inches away in a fish bowl with lava rock and water for humidity. The humidity in the room is 55 to 65%
I don't know what I'm missing. It looks healthy, roots are green, but nothing seems to be growing.

If everything else is fine, it's likely the humidity is too low.

Leafmite 09-17-2015 03:02 PM

I think the humidity is fine but I don't know why nothing is happening. Mine shows no signs of a future bloom but I notice a new root has started and it has gotten two leaves since I bought it. Mine does need a little more humidity. The older leaves look as if they are suffering in this drier weather.

LovePhals 09-17-2015 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gngrhill (Post 772323)
I'm so disappointed. Most everyone has new growth, new roots, even a couple of spikes and I still have the same plant I got way back when. I have read all posts trying to see what I might have missed, but have not gleaned any answers :)
I have mine in a net pot with bark, water every 2 or 3 days, fertilize every other week, quantum (probiotic) every other week. It's under the t-5s about 18 inches away in a fish bowl with lava rock and water for humidity. The humidity in the room is 55 to 65%
I don't know what I'm missing. It looks healthy, roots are green, but nothing seems to be growing.

It'll do something soon enough I am sure. Mine does not have a spike, I think you saw some sphagnum sticking up from the pot in my picture. But I do have a new leaf. Keep giving yours the good care you are giving and you will get growth soon. My stem seems to be swelling but it may just be from producing a leaf. I keep eyeballing it for a spike b/c it seems stems always swell when there is a spike coming (or sometimes leaf).

shadytrake 09-18-2015 07:07 AM

I found some more information that might be helpful. It seems that monticola may grow cooler than we might have expected.

Australian Orchid Council Inc. - Orchids Australia Magazine

The leaf loss and fungal issues may be brought on by heat stress. I'm going to see if moving mine to the cooler zone improves the growth habit.

My Green Pets 09-18-2015 01:48 PM

ginger hill,

I'm sure your plant is fine, it's just taking its time to adjust! If all is green, it is probably ok! It possible the plant was just about to do something when it was sold and shipped into another environment, which caused its whole system to reset!

As an example I had a cattleya do absolutely nothing for 9 months, a zygo that sulked from september to march, and a paph gratrixianum that would grow a leaf, then drop a leaf, over and over again for a year before finally regaining its 'feet' .

Here's sending you patience and good growth vibes for your little monticola! maybe it has been thinking about spiking this whole time, who knows, and soon will make a decision? :)

gngrhill 09-18-2015 04:30 PM

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ginger hill,

I'm sure your plant is fine, it's just taking its time to adjust! If all is green, it is probably ok! It possible the plant was just about to do something when it was sold and shipped into another environment, which caused its whole system to reset!

As an example I had a cattleya do absolutely nothing for 9 months, a zygo that sulked from september to march, and a paph gratrixianum that would grow a leaf, then drop a leaf, over and over again for a year before finally regaining its 'feet' .

Here's sending you patience and good growth vibes for your little monticola! maybe it has been thinking about spiking this whole time, who knows, and soon will make a decision? :)

Such an encouraging note. Thank you all for your help with my project. I have increased the humidity by my little fish bowl.....It stays around 65 to 70 % which hopefully will be enough to keep it happy, and I will try to be patient, but it's hard when everyone else seems to have new growth. At least it's still green. :biggrin:

RandomGemini 09-23-2015 10:47 AM

So I was wrong. My plant is totally in spike. I'm not sure what I'm doing to make this thing happy. I water it two or three times a week, when it starts to look dry. I am growing it on ceramic plate that I use for orchids. I leave water standing on the plate after I water. It evaporates over the course of a day or so. I water it with tap water. Very lightly fertilize once a month and that's it. Otherwise I forget about it. I will say, I have not moved it since I placed it. I pour water in at the base and let it run through the drain holes in the pot.

gngrhill 09-23-2015 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomGemini (Post 773013)
So I was wrong. My plant is totally in spike. I'm not sure what I'm doing to make this thing happy. I water it two or three times a week, when it starts to look dry. I am growing it on ceramic plate that I use for orchids. I leave water standing on the plate after I water. It evaporates over the course of a day or so. I water it with tap water. Very lightly fertilize once a month and that's it. Otherwise I forget about it. I will say, I have not moved it since I placed it. I pour water in at the base and let it run through the drain holes in the pot.

How much light do you give it, and what temp ? ?

LovePhals 09-23-2015 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomGemini (Post 773013)
So I was wrong. My plant is totally in spike. I'm not sure what I'm doing to make this thing happy. I water it two or three times a week, when it starts to look dry. I am growing it on ceramic plate that I use for orchids. I leave water standing on the plate after I water. It evaporates over the course of a day or so. I water it with tap water. Very lightly fertilize once a month and that's it. Otherwise I forget about it. I will say, I have not moved it since I placed it. I pour water in at the base and let it run through the drain holes in the pot.

Pics, please!

My Green Pets 09-23-2015 06:35 PM

Mine is growing a new leaf after something ate the last one.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...cbf844e08e.jpg

And there is this weird spot towards the bottom of the plant, could this be something about to emerge?

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...29ee756a8c.jpg

Mandy2705 09-23-2015 06:42 PM

Can't wait to see what emerges :)

No-Pro-mwa 09-24-2015 11:41 AM

I'm so happy some of you are having such good luck. Mine is still alive but I ended up having to cut off the new leaf and then I put cinnamon on it. I have sprayed it with a copper fungus spray a couple of times with the other orchids showing signs of the fungus.

Leafmite 09-25-2015 11:46 AM

Sorry to hear about the chopping/fungus. :(
Mine isn't going to bloom, if that is any consolation and it still needs to survive the winter.

Mandy2705 09-25-2015 07:10 PM

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Whoa this little plant has done so much in the last month than it EVER has since I received it. So the mystery nubbin turned out to be a fat new root. And now guess what?! There is another nubbin and it looks VERY promising. Time will tell what this nubbin will be. I know I probably shouldn't have but I recently repotted this guy a second time 😁 I found a garden center that carried extra tiny lava rocks which would be perfect for my miniature orchids. So I repotted quite a bit of orchids in this lava rock. It must have been a good thing bc this guy has taken off. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09...784f10da9d.jpg

gngrhill 09-26-2015 11:44 PM

fingers crossed !

Skycat 09-30-2015 03:23 PM

Well, I think mine's just about kicked the bucket. Guess I'll have to join one of the secondary projects, maybe after another paycheck or two... or maybe now

Mandy2705 09-30-2015 04:34 PM

Yes I am 99.9% its a spike gngrhill :) and skycat Oh no I am sorry it kicked the bucket :( the other projects looks fun. I especially wanted to join the miss wonderful project but funds wouldn't allow it.

Skycat 09-30-2015 05:14 PM

I'm not sure it's quite dead yet, but it's gotten so dry, I'll be surprised if it can recover.

First it was potted and started growing mold, so I mounted it, and it hasn't been doing well at all like that. This thing's just never been happy with me.

Went ahead and ordered a Den. cucumerinum. Been wanting one of those for a while anyway.

gngrhill 09-30-2015 07:46 PM

Well, Skycat, I hope you have better luck with that one.

wintergirl 09-30-2015 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skycat (Post 774003)

Went ahead and ordered a Den. cucumerinum. Been wanting one of those for a while anyway.

Those look cool. I'd love to see pictures and progress, where did you order from?

LovePhals 09-30-2015 08:22 PM

I'm sorry Skycat for your plant. Maybe you can pot back up and it will recover? I never repotted mine from Hasuermann but it looks like a bark and sphagnum mix, seems happy so I didn't disturb it.

estación seca 09-30-2015 08:26 PM

I don't know what your conditions are, but in habitat it is cool by day and cooler at night, and very humid. Back on the second page or so somebody posted a link to an Australian publication with detailed information.

Skycat 09-30-2015 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wintergirl (Post 774026)
Those look cool. I'd love to see pictures and progress, where did you order from?

Marlow's

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Originally Posted by LovePhals (Post 774033)
I'm sorry Skycat for your plant. Maybe you can pot back up and it will recover?

Maybe. It has one tiny root and the leaves are all very thin and wrinkly. But maybe my experience with dehydrated Phals can pay off here.

Cntry 10-10-2015 10:58 AM

My Amesiella monticola is not looking so great. Something has eaten the leaves this fall shortly before I brought it in. I looked at it today and its about dead. I am not sure if I can keep the roots alive long enough for it to put out a new leaf for me.


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