New Zygopetalum Adelaide Meadows x Bluebird in bloom

[lotis146]

I happened across this on eBay last week, listed as in spike. I've been looking for different Zygo hybrids and this was one I hadn't heard of before. Bit of a mystery since I couldn't find pics of this particular hybrids but could of the parents. Btw I do believe that Adelaide Meadows is actually Zygoneria Adelaide Meadows but it's listed on the tag as I titled the thread

It arrived today and is in full bloom. I've never seen Adelaide Meadows in person but from all the pictures these flowers look just like it, as you'll see, however the plant itself is fairly compact, more so than my Zygolum Rhein 'Moonlight'. It's not more than 12" tall including the spike. The blooms themselves aren't very big, about 2 x 2 but I still love it. I tried to capture the very neon green quality of these, some pictures did more than others but the contrast with the purple lip is AWESOME. My only complaint?? The smell...yes, I really really don't like it. It's spicy but has a very chemical-like essence to it. So much so in fact I thought no way this is the natural smell, maybe it was sprayed! Wouldn't that be nice...

Also either the care of this plant was perfect before it got to me thus barely any black spots or streaks on the leaves or this hybrid is less susceptible than say my Alantuckerara (Zygo. Adelaide Meadows x Ptpm. Mathina 'Elizabeth') which has A LOT of spots on the leaves and is a much taller plant (it's in spike btw ). I guess we'll see now if it is less susceptible or not now that it's in my care ...

Overall, I'm happy with this nice little plant with lovely (stinky) flowers. Enjoy.












P.S. As is often the case, the blooms are much more striking in person.

[orchidsarefun]

I like it !
I think it may be a cross with Zygonisia Cynosure var blue bird - which is interesting to me because of my own work with Cynosure.
I have seedlings with a cross involving Adelaide Meadows and I love the "clean" foliage and compact plant of your cross- I wonder if thats the Zns or AM influence. My seedlings are currently spot free...
Hint - its time for you to try out your own cross with this one !

[lotis146]

I wondered that myself however the tag nor the listing read Cynosure and when I searched it I did discover there is a Zygopetalum Bluebird. Whereas the other - Zygonisia - as you know,is Bluebirds (plural).

Oh for sure I would like to cross however the Cynosure & Roquebrune I posted about before have lost their blooms so they are out of the running. It would be interesting to try for more "clean" (as you put it) and compact plants. That is a major appeal for me given my limited space. I'm waiting to see just how similar my Alantuckerara involving Adelaide Meadows 'Brabum' is to this plant although it is much taller and is overrun with black spots on the leaves (spent the summer outdoors thus in the rain after having come to me with a lot of black). I've thought about crossing them however I do not think it will bloom in time. Do you have any pollen saving techniques that work for you?

There's one other possibility for a cross though that plant has just aborted a few pods, but that is still a candidate I will try especially since it too is slightly more compact with almost no black spotting/streaking.

Thanks. Glad to here your seedlings are doing well. I wouldn't mind getting one from you when you're ready to part with them though I know you want to take them to blooming, as would (will) I.

Take care.

[orchidsarefun]

you sure on the zygopetalum?

I can't find a zygo blue bird or bluebird registered :
The International Orchid Register / RHS Gardening
However it may be a cultivar of a straight zygopetalum and the register doesn't show cultivars.

The zygonisia cynosure is definitely only "Blue Bird" but 2 different words. I looked them up on OrchidWiz - 2 separate photos.

However on balance yours is probably a zygo cross as I don't seen any influence of zygonisia cynosure at all......

[The Orchidist]

I came across " Zygoneria Adelaide Meadows "Eli' , it looks identical to yours , the blue bird looks very different .

a seller in Vancouver , (forestview gardens ) has them and the selection and pic looks like Adelaide meadows .

hope this helps .

[orchidsarefun]

Originally Posted by Steve_Ljak

I came across " Zygoneria Adelaide Meadows "Eli' , it looks identical to yours , the blue bird looks very different .

a seller in Vancouver , (forestview gardens ) has them and the selection and pic looks like Adelaide meadows .

hope this helps .

zygo crosses are notorious for looking exactly....like zygos as they predominate genetically. There are 37 photos of AM on Orchidwiz and about 20 look different to each other. I can see a couple that look exactly like the photos ( for example cultivar 'Braeburn'). The only thing to do is to get the exact cross details from the breeder via the seller.

[lotis146]

Originally Posted by orchidsarefun

you sure on the zygopetalum?

I can't find a zygo blue bird or bluebird registered :
The International Orchid Register / RHS Gardening
However it may be a cultivar of a straight zygopetalum and the register doesn't show cultivars.

The zygonisia cynosure is definitely only "Blue Bird" but 2 different words. I looked them up on OrchidWiz - 2 separate photos.

However on balance yours is probably a zygo cross as I don't seen any influence of zygonisia cynosure at all......

I'm learning more and more that Orchid names can be quite confused, ESPECIALLY Zygo hybrids. I too went searching for zygopetalum Bluebird but found nothing in RHS though I found pics. Now after reading your reply OrchidsAreFun I typed Blue Bird, two words, and found a site - Dave's Garden - that referred to it as Zygopabstia Blue Bird. Sure enough type that into RHS and you'll find it's registered.

I agree that it is heavily influenced by AM. My Cynosure Blue Birds (thanks for the correction) hasn't bloomed; I expected it would on its next new growth but then a chipmunk got a hold of the new growth, which I believe you already have read. (Still waiting for another growth to start .) However my Cynosure Blue Water Sailing, as you know, is very different. And pictures I've seen of Cynosure Blue Birds look a lot like Blue Water Sailing. But this new hybrid looks nothing like either so I think we can rule that out and assume it's really Zygopabstia Blue Bird.

Originally Posted by Steve_Ljak

I came across " Zygoneria Adelaide Meadows "Eli' , it looks identical to yours , the blue bird looks very different .

a seller in Vancouver , (forestview gardens ) has them and the selection and pic looks like Adelaide meadows .

hope this helps .

I have another AM hybrid that was referred to as Zygopetalum but OrchidsAreFun corrected me back then that it is actually Zygoneria Adelaide Meadows. That hybrid - in spike - is crossed with Propetalum Mathina 'Elizabeth', again OrchidsAreFun pointed out to me that that cross actually has a name: Alantuckerara. Looking it up in RHS, yes that is so.

Naming Zygos seems to be a mess. Take Zygolum Rhein Moonlight. I bought mine as Zygopetalum, read here it's Zygosepalum, then got informed by another user that actually it's Zygolum and the exact same cross has been registered with RHS TWICE.

Originally Posted by orchidsarefun

zygo crosses are notorious for looking exactly....like zygos as they predominate genetically. There are 37 photos of AM on Orchidwiz and about 20 look different to each other. I can see a couple that look exactly like the photos ( for example cultivar 'Braeburn'). The only thing to do is to get the exact cross details from the breeder via the seller.

I know exactly what you're talking about thus my interest in finding different crosses. Sometimes it's hard to see the difference in a lot of them, a lot of green & purple. Like I said in my IP, I suspect this current flower will wind up being just a smaller version of my Alantuckerara, at least the pics of saw when I bought look nearly the same. I don't believe it's a coincidence that both of these hybrids have AM as the parent. Speaking of, you said Braeburn above, well my Alantuckerara is listed on its tag (from Seattle Orchids) as Zygopetalum Adelaide Meadows 'Brabum' x Propetalum Mathina 'Elizabeth'. Could it be that that's actually supposed to be 'Braeburn'? I've seen Zygonisia Roquebrune listed on Seattle Orchids site as Rogue Brune, and they're quite reputable!

Oh and while I said I got this AM x Blue Bird on Ebay the tag reads "Kalapana Tropicals". I checked their site but it's currently not listed because last night I almost typed in that it was Cynosure Blue Birds but no. So thanks for inquiring because now I know it really is most likely Zygopabstia. And again, AM is also listed as Zygo but it's Zygoneria so what's that say?

I'm long winded but thanks for all your interest!

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Btw, it looks like Zygoneria x Zygopabstia is Neopabstopetalum with the genus synonym Woodwardara.