HEya! - Orchid Board

JayPeg99 · #1 12-09-2022, 10:51 PM

Hello! I'm a novice orchid grower with a strong interest in terrestrials. I actually made this account in case there was any movement on another group order to the US from Dr Beyrle, so, if that's still a thing please hook me up to that chat or thread!

Roberta · #2 12-09-2022, 11:04 PM

Welcome!

I haven't seen anyone on the Orchid Board putting together a group order with Dr. Beyrle... I have gotten mine through a friend who has an import permit, but don't think he's interested in adding more people since he already has quite a few people who have piggybacked on his order.

There have been a few discussions about getting import permit but don't think anybody actually has actually done it. Would you consider doing it? It's a bit of a nuisance, but doesn't cost anything.

Also, Tarzane Group has been getting European terrestrials for a couple of years (this year more than last) and they had a few Aussie terrestrials this summer (which went really fast, so maybe next year they'll get more) Typical time is late June into July for them... nice to have a domestic source! Makes it a whole lot easier.

JayPeg99 · #3 12-09-2022, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Roberta

There have been a few discussions about getting import permit but don't think anybody actually has actually done it. Would you consider doing it? It's a bit of a nuisance, but doesn't cost anything

I'd definitely not be opposed! Really the biggest thing is making sure I'd have the right paperwork at all, at least to me it's pretty hard to get all of the information out in one place. Do you have a link to this?

Roberta · #4 12-09-2022, 11:29 PM

I went poking around the USDA-APHIS website. Extremely unfriendly... This link might be a good place to start
USDA APHIS | Plants for planting - including nursery stock, roots, bulbs, seeds and other plant parts

I don't know how helpful USDA might be in walking you through the process, worth the ask.

My friend who does this works with Dr. Beyrle to create a government pre-approved phytosanitary certificate and CITES certification for each order. It costs some money and takes some time, but allows Dr. Beyrle to mail the plants directly to him. If that isn't done, by law they have to first be sent to a USDA inspection station at the first port of entry, inspected, and then mailed from there. A group order makes sense... but then of course the recipient needs to get the tubers to the various people so that takes some time and effort - helps when everyone lives within driving distance and goes to the same club meetings,

Good luck!

JayPeg99 · #5 12-09-2022, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Roberta

I went poking around the USDA-APHIS website. Extremely unfriendly... This link might be a good place to start
USDA APHIS | Plants for planting - including nursery stock, roots, bulbs, seeds and other plant parts

I don't know how helpful USDA might be in walking you through the process, worth the ask.

My friend who does this works with Dr. Beyrle to create a government pre-approved phytosanitary certificate and CITES certification for each order. It costs some money and takes some time, but allows Dr. Beyrle to mail the plants directly to him. If that isn't done, by law they have to first be sent to a USDA inspection station at the first port of entry, inspected, and then mailed from there. A group order makes sense... but then of course the recipient needs to get the tubers to the various people so that takes some time and effort - helps when everyone lives within driving distance and goes to the same club meetings,

Good luck!

Did a bit of digging on this and it seems like I'd need to apply for PPQ 586 & 587 from here: APHIS eFile Community.

I am very interested in that actually; I was kind of wondering how these plants got into the US without rotting away in USDA quarantine anyway. Should I reach out to Dr. Beyrle himself on this?

Roberta · #6 12-10-2022, 12:01 AM

The tubers get shipped while they are dormant, so they survive the shipping process nicely. (Last year they were in transit for 3 weeks, the year before it took 4... I think the actual shipping was not a problem, they disappeared into a black hole for awhile after the tracking said they were in the US) They were none the worse for wear. When dormant they need no water or light or anything else. I've become really cautious about what I order... there are some interesting things on his list that aren't dormant, or emerge early, I have bought a few that didn't survive the process.

estación seca · #7 12-10-2022, 02:31 AM

Welcome to the Orchid Board!

Subrosa · #8 12-10-2022, 04:14 PM

Welcome! I have a similar interest in terrestrials. Have you ever heard of the cardboard method of growing orchids? I'm using it to grow many different terrestrials from seed, including Australian, South African, and native species.

JayPeg99 · #9 12-10-2022, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Subrosa

Welcome! I have a similar interest in terrestrials. Have you ever heard of the cardboard method of growing orchids? I'm using it to grow many different terrestrials from seed, including Australian, South African, and native species.

I have! I also do history stuff on the side, and I've been trying to figure out how to grow Gastrodia for a hot minute as well. I right now have some Cynorkis and an Ancistrochilus. I know