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Old 03-21-2018, 08:35 AM
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I've seen lots of typos on online shops but some of them are so bad that googling them doesn't work. So, I'll post them here instead for IDing
1. "Anguloacaste"

2. "Bulbophyllum sp. Papua"

3. "Bulbophyllum sp. Kalimantan"

4. "Plocoglottis Javanica" (Really bad misindentification)
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The first one isn't so much of a mistake, but just an incomplete name. Angulocaste is a hybrid between Lycaste and Anguloa. Is this case the photo is of an unknown hybrid.

Second and third photos probably have no species level ID, and the second part of the name is probably where the plant comes from (Papua New Guinea for the first, and Borneo for the second- Kalimantan is an area of Borneo). I don't know what kind of sellers these are, but if on e-bay I'd be a bit suspicious that they are wild collected plants since they don't seem to know what they are...

The last one is just completely misidentified...

Anyway, that was just my 2 cents, more knowledgeable people may say differently.
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The first one isn't so much of a mistake, but just an incomplete name. Angulocaste is a hybrid between Lycaste and Anguloa. Is this case the photo is of an unknown hybrid.
Oh alright, thanks. Any idea for a species ID? I want to know the care needs. (Not that I'm going to buy it... maybe...)
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I don't know what kind of sellers these are, but if on e-bay I'd be a bit suspicious that they are wild collected plants since they don't seem to know what they are...
Well both sellers of the plant are in the West Java, which is nowhere near Kalimantan and Papua. They might have just forgot the species name but remembered where they came from (Somehow..?)

As a side, I know some people that own land... for the purpose of taking the wild orchids that grow there... does that count as poaching? Those people seem to be "professional" orchid growers, too (I guess. They knew the difference between Habenaria radiata and Pecteilis radiata at least)...
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The last one is just completely misidentified...
Haha yes. This vendor switches up tags a lot. That's how I got my Macodes hehe.

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Add: OR maybe for #2 those vendors bought those plants from other vendors which are actually poachers and are just selling it with whatever name the poacher-vendors gave to them.
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For the first one, I have no idea what sort of hybrid it is. I'm familiar with the hybrid name and that's it, and don't even grow plants of those genera.

For the others, whatever the origin, legal or not, I'd be a bit dubious of vendors who don't even know what they're selling.

As to buying land in order to harvest the orchids on it, that may depend on the laws on the country, I have no idea. I think for western countries protected species remain protected no matter where they are. Plants that fall under CITES are protected internationally, but I believe that it only concerns their international transport, and not collecting.
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On "Bulbophyllum sp. Papua", I was poking around on orchidspecies and found these close matches.
Bulbophyllum aspersum
Bulbophyllum sp. cf quadrangulare
Bulbophyllum sp. New Guinea
Bulbophyllum quadrangulare << Closest match
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I think "Bulbophyllum sp. Papua" may be a variation of B. Quadrangularae with a yellow-purple dorsal sepal.

I'll go poke around more for Bulbophyllum sp. Kalimantan

Bulbophyllum sp. Kalimantan looks like Bulbophyllum graveolens...

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This popped up yesterday from a search of "terrestrial orchids" on Indonesian-version-of-eBay.

Looks like eulophia spectabilis but with spread-out petals?
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