Id this miltonia?

[mascia]

Hi,
I need help Id'ing this miltonia I found at a local nursery. It's very common to find miltonia hybrids here that are usually crosses between several native species, but I've never seen a red one before. They're usually white/pink/purple or brown-ish.

Any ideas?

[charlesf6]

beats me but it sure is pretty

[Roberta]

There are some Oncidium-group intergenerics that are quite red - Burrageara, some Odontocidiums, Vuylstekeara... a bunch of the names are getting re-named with the taxonomic confusion now reigning in the Oncidium group. But if you search under these names I think you will find some orchids that look similar.

[mascia]

Originally Posted by Roberta

There are some Oncidium-group intergenerics that are quite red - Burrageara, some Odontocidiums, Vuylstekeara... a bunch of the names are getting re-named with the taxonomic confusion now reigning in the Oncidium group. But if you search under these names I think you will find some orchids that look similar.

Thanks for the suggestions!

I had a Nelly Isler and some Odontocidiums and it's a pain to keep them alive through summer (I live at sea level), while my miltonias can pretty much live on neglect.

The reason I got this one is because it was labeled "miltonia". They had some plants over there that looked a few years old, and told me that they didn't mind the heat at all.

I guess I will never know for sure what it is, but I'm just glad I got a warm growing Burrageara lookalike

[rbarata]

It seems to be a Cambria, Vuylstekeara "Plush" FCC/RHS.
See here.

[PaphMadMan]

Originally Posted by rbarata

It seems to be a Cambria, Vuylstekeara "Plush" FCC/RHS.

Yes, this does appear to be Vulstekeara Cambria, or Oncidiopsis Cambria in current terminology. It may or may not be 'Plush' as there similar cultivars. There are also similar hybrids that might be hard to distinguish, and it can be quite variable in appearance. Oncidiopsis Cambria 'Plush' was highly awarded and widely distributed though, so it is probably most likely.

It is a Miltonia in only the broadest sense, as it is a Miltoniopsis (formerly Miltonia) hybrid. More often it would be called an Oncidium intergeneric hybrid or simply a Cambria orchid. Its name has been used in the trade as a representative of large flowered Oncidium hybrids in general.

[estación seca]

When I was a kid, the large pansy-flowered orchids with colors in the range of white-pink-red, that generally needed cool growing conditions, were called Miltonias. The smaller flowered Miltonias we know of now were not much seen in the US.

Botanists have decided these pansy-flowered orchids should be called Miltoniopsis, and Miltonia is used for related plants that mostly have smaller flowers, often in the brown-yellow range. I don't know what the current terminology in garden centers in Brazil is, but a lot of the older members of our orchid society still call all these plants Miltonia, especially the large pansy-flowered plants.

In general, Miltoniopsis are cool growing orchids, while many Miltonias are warmer growing. Intergeneric hybrids between related plants produce a huge range of flower shapes, colors and temperature tolerance.

[Roberta]

I have found the Miltoniopsis rather picky... it is true that they don't like heat, but they don't like cold either (below about 50 deg. F, 10 deg C, they tend to die) And above 80 deg. F 26 deg C they're not happy either. However, those intergeneric hybrids that probably get color from Miltoniopsis, but have other "good stuff" too, are a lot more forgiving in both directions.

[mascia]

Originally Posted by estación seca

When I was a kid, the large pansy-flowered orchids with colors in the range of white-pink-red, that generally needed cool growing conditions, were called Miltonias. The smaller flowered Miltonias we know of now were not much seen in the US.

Botanists have decided these pansy-flowered orchids should be called Miltoniopsis, and Miltonia is used for related plants that mostly have smaller flowers, often in the brown-yellow range. I don't know what the current terminology in garden centers in Brazil is, but a lot of the older members of our orchid society still call all these plants Miltonia, especially the large pansy-flowered plants.

In general, Miltoniopsis are cool growing orchids, while many Miltonias are warmer growing. Intergeneric hybrids between related plants produce a huge range of flower shapes, colors and temperature tolerance.

Miltoniopsis are usually labeled with the correct name or "Colombian Miltonia".

The ones tagged as Miltonias are usually the purple/lilac/brown colored brazilian native Miltonias (the ones in the beggining of this video:

[PaphMadMan]

Regardless of the Miltonia vs. Miltoniopsis (Colombian Miltonia) issue and how those plants are typically identified, this is Vulstekeara (Oncidiopsis) Cambria or a very similar hybrid.

Vulstekeara identified a hybrid of Cochlioda x Miltonia x Odontoglossum as they were defined at the time. Half the ancestry is officially unknown but those plants were identified as Odontoglossum in registration.

The Miltonia is the species now known as Miltoniopsis vexillaria. So if there is any true Miltonia in Vulstekeara Cambria it is buried in the unknown part identified as Odontoglossum, and very unlikely to have included any true Miltonia at that time even as an unknown.

And again, this is Vulstekeara Cambria or something indistinguishable from it. It is considered Oncidiopsis Cambria now because Cochlioda and Odontoglossum are now Oncidium, so it is Miltoniopsis x Ondidium. You can call it Miltonia if you want, but really not.