ID for two oncidiums and a mini phal with purple leaves - Orchid Board

astrid · #1 09-04-2015, 05:53 AM

Hey all! I got into some trouble at Trader Joe's today because they were overflowing with orchids that were on my wishlist and then some others that were just irresistible.
Needless to say, I wound up with a bunch of plants without IDs and I feel like these ones might have an ID.
If you can't help a girl out, you could at least enjoy the pictures I hope!!

(ps - TJ's had a miltassia Shelob Tolkien which I also pounced upon!)

Edit: The last oncidium twinkle-like orchid is Oncidium Tsiku Marguerite - thanks, Judith_Arquette!

The phal:

The RED oncidium:

The WHITE oncidium:
EDIT: ID FOUND -> Oncidium Tsiku Marguerite
(I am mad at myself over this one because I grabbed the better plant, but forgot to grab the tag or at least take a picture of it... it had a tag!!! It said something like "teluah" or something...)

Thanks for your help!

ThePinkCucumber · #2 09-04-2015, 07:38 AM

I swear to you my husband got me the same exact phal just a few days ago as a surprise - try smelling it in the morning, mine smells like roses around 9am! It's also a noID though.
Oh and, those are some stunning bulbs on that white Oncidium!

judith_arquette · #3 09-04-2015, 11:31 AM

Could the last one be a tsiku marguerite?
Gorgeous finds BTW

astrid · #4 09-04-2015, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by judith_arquette

Could the last one be a tsiku marguerite?
Gorgeous finds BTW

YES!!! That is it!! Thank you so so much! I can make a tag right away!
Thank youuuuuuuuu

katrina · #5 09-05-2015, 08:55 AM

I've said it before...but I'll say it again...there are far too many hybrids that look similar and basing an ID on "matching pictures" is - at best - unreliable.

To take things a bit further...it's kind of irresponsible because when one posts future blooms w/these "ID by picture" plants it's doing nothing more than possibly perpetuating IDs that are anything but accurate.

I understand TJ's has inexpensive orchids but if you TRULY want named plants then you really should be shopping w/vendors that can give you definitively named plants. Or, keep them as Phal NoId, Onc NoId, etc...because that's really what they are. And, for the record, there is nothing wrong w/NoIDs...if you like it then grow it. The only thing you can't do it ever have then considered for an AOS award. Well, that and you wouldn't be able to register any crosses made w/them.

Mandy2705 · #6 09-05-2015, 10:27 AM

Agreed Katrina, a NOID will always be a NOID, but can we still ask what it may be? I have bought orchids at groceries stores and have found matches that resemble the orchid I have asked to be ID'd. If I write a tag for it then it will NOID followed with possible match. I also understand that I could never breed it nor show it. I am also glad that you posted that a NOID should never be bred or entered in a show, because as an orchid community, it is a rule we should all follow. Also, if I showcase it on here or anywhere else, it's short story on its close match will be applied along with it, but the title will remain NOID.

LovePhals · #7 09-05-2015, 11:16 AM

You can ask, but I think Katrina's point is she is making a tag and positively ID'ing a NoID off a guess or similar plant is confusing. My guess is when it blooms it will be labeled as that plant when it may not be confusing an orchid grower who is wanting to purchase a plant by that plant name that may not be that plant (when you look at internet pictures before you buy). It's fine to do that at your house but when you post it as that plant as that name that's when there is a problem. So keep your NoID a NoID when you post. Nothing wrong with having NoIDs!

katrina · #8 09-05-2015, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LovePhals

You can ask, but I think Katrina's point is she is making a tag and positively ID'ing a NoID off a guess or similar plant is confusing. My guess is when it blooms it will be labeled as that plant when it may not be confusing an orchid grower who is wanting to purchase a plant by that plant name that may not be that plant (when you look at internet pictures before you buy). It's fine to do that at your house but when you post it as that plant as that name that's when there is a problem. So keep your NoID a NoID when you post. Nothing wrong with having NoIDs!

Eeeeeeeexactly! You totally get it!

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Originally Posted by Mandy2705

Also, if I showcase it on here or anywhere else, it's short story on its close match will be applied along with it, but the title will remain NOID.

Perfect and it's great that you would do that...unfortunately, I bet not everyone will be as conscientious in their descriptions/titles of their plants and how they came about the name.

OR...say a few years down the road one of these plants is given away and the person doing the giving doesn't think to relay the story...the recipient will assume that tag in the pot is correct. THey wouldn't think to inquire as to whether or not it was a "good guess" or a definitive breeder/grower ID.

All in all...it's just a bad practice to get into and ideally really should be avoided because even the most well intended person could let one of these fake ID plants slip through the cracks. As long as one knows the genus/group and understands how to care for it...then the name really isn't important in growing it or enjoying it. There are enough honest mistakes that happen w/growers...it makes little to no sense to muddy the waters on purpose.

BTW - you can enter an "Unknown" for ribbon judging in shows and they can receive ribbons but they won't be considered for official AOS judging.

Mandy2705 · #9 09-05-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by katrina

Eeeeeeeexactly! You totally get it!

Perfect and it's great that you would do that...unfortunately, I bet not everyone will be as conscientious in their descriptions/titles of their plants and how they came about the name.

OR...say a few years down the road one of these plants is given away and the person doing the giving doesn't think to relay the story...the recipient will assume that tag in the pot is correct. THey wouldn't think to inquire as to whether or not it was a "good guess" or a definitive breeder/grower ID.

All in all...it's just a bad practice to get into and ideally really should be avoided because even the most well intended person could let one of these fake ID plants slip through the cracks. As long as one knows the genus/group and understands how to care for it...then the name really isn't important in growing it or enjoying it. There are enough honest mistakes that happen w/growers...it makes little to no sense to muddy the waters on purpose.

BTW - you can enter an "Unknown" for ribbon judging in shows and they can receive ribbons but they won't be considered for official AOS judging.

This is true, unfortunately

silken · #10 09-05-2015, 06:30 PM

I totally agree with Katrina. There are so many hybrids that looks similar. With so many people naming their plants just on hunches, there is bound to be some incorrectly awarded and bred plants in the future.

It's one thing to ask what genus it comes from for culture tips but that should be it.

And people too freely offer up names based on a photo of a NOID which encourages people to name their NOID's.