Phal. tetraspis 'C1' a clone?

[bethmarie]

I think, but am not sure, that the 'C1' indicates the Phal. tetraspis I have is a cloned plant and not a seedling. Can you guys enlighten me? I'm still learning my way around the parts of orchid naming.

thanks!

[WhiteRabbit]

I *think* (but could definitely be wrong) that C1 designates the form (non-typical) of the species ... I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong (I will be watching this thread, so I can learn, too!)

[AnonYMouse]

Originally Posted by bethmarie

I think, but am not sure, that the 'C1' indicates the Phal. tetraspis I have is a cloned plant and not a seedling. Can you guys enlighten me? I'm still learning my way around the parts of orchid naming.

thanks!

That is my understanding but why I think that, I don't know.

[billc]

I don't think C1 means it's a clone. My limited understanding is that 'C1' is a tetraspis/ speciosa that can bloom with red bars on a white flower. It doesn't do it all the time and the bars will be random. They are beautiful blooms.
I think talking about C1's is like asking what is the best fertilizer to use. 10 people will give you 15 different opinions. If you roam thru Bigleaf's forum you might get a better idea.
Big Leaf Orchid forum • View topic - Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Bill

[orchidsarefun]

C1 is likely to be a cloned plant as this colouring probably spontaneously appeared in a population and then it was cloned and propagated to fix the trait. C1 then becomes the indicator for the colour trait ( random bars ) - and these plants can be sold as seedlings.
The speciosa/tetraspis angle is interesting. Even this reference site has pictures of both species in a typical C1 scenario. Click on each species and scroll down the page/s.
Phalaenopsis species by alphabetical order.
I got a tetraspis C1 from Taiwan - and the seller is adamant that it IS a tetraspis and not a speciosa. I have hybridised with it and when the progeny bloom, the argument will be settled, at least for me on this specific plant.

[sweetjblue]

It's actually called 'C#1' and supposed to be a clone of a wild collected speciosa as the story goes.



Judi

[Ray]

This is precisely why it is important that we all learn the proper way to use the correct conventions and terminology.

Phal. speciosa 'C1' would indicate a specific cultivar, and as many of them are out there with that cultivar epithet attached, it is likely they are asexually reproduced.

[plantbuddy]

The single quotes 'like this' are used to designate a clone. They can be obtained through lab cloning (meristemming), dividing a plant, keikes, or cuttings in some cases. All are considered members of the same individual plant (clone) and should be assigned a clonal name to indicate it. If one member of the clone gets an award, all member of that clone get the same award.

If a single plant, say found in the wild, or in a collection, has a particular attribute, it can be given a botanical epitat after the species name. Indicated by var. (for variety), or f. (for forma), then a descriptor like rugosa (meaning red in Latin, remember this is now part of botanical nomenclature). You see this a lot in herbarium specimens. You don't see it much in cultivated plants, like orchids.

So it could be Phalaenopsis speciosa var.rugosa. No single quotes. Just this single plant.

If yours says 'C1' after the species name, it's a product of cloning as indicated by the single quotes.

[orchidsarefun]

Originally Posted by plantbuddy

The single quotes 'like this' are used to designate a clone. They can be obtained through lab cloning (meristemming), dividing a plant, keikes, or cuttings in some cases. All are considered members of the same individual plant (clone) and should be assigned a clonal name to indicate it. If one member of the clone gets an award, all member of that clone get the same award.

If a single plant, say found in the wild, or in a collection, has a particular attribute, it can be given a botanical epitat after the species name. Indicated by var. (for variety), or f. (for forma), then a descriptor like rugosa (meaning red in Latin, remember this is now part of botanical nomenclature). You see this a lot in herbarium specimens. You don't see it much in cultivated plants, like orchids.

So it could be Phalaenopsis speciosa var.rugosa. No single quotes. Just this single plant.

If yours says 'C1' after the species name, it's a product of cloning as indicated by the single quotes.

as a follow up question. A speciosa was Awarded in 2012 and named 'Jiaho Red Ball'. My understanding is that you can name a cultivar after an Award is earned - but this doesn't always indicate that it was a clone ? This could have arisen - for example - in a population of selfed 'C1's and is therefore not a clone ?

[Paul]

Originally Posted by orchidsarefun

as a follow up question. A speciosa was Awarded in 2012 and named 'Jiaho Red Ball'. My understanding is that you can name a cultivar after an Award is earned - but this doesn't always indicate that it was a clone ? This could have arisen - for example - in a population of selfed 'C1's and is therefore not a clone ?

That is my understanding as well.