Too Early to Hazard a Guess About This Paph?

[JMNYC]

Originally Posted by Brooke

Looks normal to me.

Brooke

I just Fed Exed you a Ferrari for this! Blessings on you!

I never focused with any kind of intensity of this plant before.

Thanks, Brooke!

[Brooke]

Your focusing on the plant is making you paranoid.

Brooke

[JMNYC]

Originally Posted by Brooke

Your focusing on the plant is making you paranoid.

Brooke

I know. I said. I truly am in touch in those ways. But the diameter of the stem just behind the first bud just suddenly looked so lame! It felt it was not getting enough nutrition. I guess it was always thus when I wasn't obsessing over this plant.

Text me when the Ferrari arrives.

[JMNYC]

Hi for a change. I am totally aware how my obsession is boring the living dorsals out of everyone.

But, came home and saw first bud starting to open....and, this sounds cray cray, cause I have a wicked amazing memory by all accounts...plus, I guess when the flower opens and ripens, it will be the muddy colors it has been in all previous blooms....despite the spotted petals.

But.... just from what is visible right now---maybe it improved caused it was depressed for so long I did not adore it--- and now at least I am obsessing over it---the pouch looks darker and less muddy pink than they have in the past.

I mean it!

Moved it around taking pics, hoping I could register color fidelity; the pic with the darker color is more the reality than the brighter one. I dunno.....but I need to chill until first bud opens, ripens and I can put up pics....then learn how much Lowii it appears to have, etc. so I can grow both pots better.

Again, given what I remember from previous blooms, I can't believe what I see will end up the reality. But....maybe it's just, finally happier now.

[JMNYC]

Monday compulsive update: no need to comment until the first flower opens and matures; I am just on compulsive/obsessive autopilot.

I MEAN IT. This NOID has CHANGED!!!! In every previous bloom pouch/petal tips has been sad, muddy, dull, DEPRESSED.

Today, the more visible colors appear clear! Some mysterious thing has happened between last bloom (before I divided it) and this one! The pouch and the petal tips are much deeper, richer, and more vivid than re any previous bloom! I am STUNNED. Need to see if the petal spots have clarified and if the dorsal is different.

I have never seen this level of metaphorphosing before. It’s a kind of miracle. See? If you hang in with devotion for enough years after they come yr way half dead, even if you do not love them…..miracles can happen!

I do not understand what happened here. At all.

[JMNYC]

OK, Please believe me when I say, for the life of me, I can not capture the actual colors of this flower. The pinks are, as usual, NOT BRIGHT. In very single pic I made, no matter where I held it... they look much brighter than they are. I do think they are a little brighter than in previous blooms, but not as much as just seeing the pouch led me to hope.

I will put some up. Do we all see the lowii influence? But, as always, these are small flowers, and she or he never makes more than two.

Thanks in advance for any and all takes.

[JMNYC]

OK, I think these reflect the not bright pink a little more accurately.
Not a lot, but a little.

[WhiteRabbit]

Lovely!

[quiltergal]

This actually strongly suggests moquettianum to me crossed with a longer petaled something or other.

[JMNYC]

Originally Posted by quiltergal

This actually strongly suggests moquettianum to me crossed with a longer petaled something or other.

Thanks, Terri.....I reached out to someone I found out about whose life is about high paph end breeding. FAB guy, a true Renaissance person. I sent him pics. Wish I could find his first response, I thought I had kept it, but can't find it, that's making me crazy (the lowii influence is obvious) but I will post his second (the petals aren't that long, really):

You may know it, but I will mention it in case not. The species P. chamberlainianum in the Section Cochlopetalum is a bugger for the taxonomists. Many taxonomists are “lumpers” and group most of the Cochlopetalums as one thing, and then break out the different looking varieties as under a Sub-section. i.e. P. primulinum, P. chamberlainianum, P. moquettianum, P. victoria mariae, P. victoria regenia would all be classified as Paph. chamberlainianum. However, the breakout would be shown as Paph. chamberlainianum v. primulinum, Paph. chamberlainianum v. chamberlainianum, Paph. chamberlainianum v. moquettianum, etcetera. Others simply state each one as a species, in and of itself. I tend not a “lumper”, and like to consider them as independent species. Your hybrid would probably have been made with P. victoria regenia, a variety of P. chamberlainianum.

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Edit: I am delving, found two more, one from before the first flower was even open; this guy, in every way nourishes every part of me: a true Class Act (and emotionally whole too), and with encyclopedic knowledge within his esoteric field.....waaaaaaay above my pay grade!

I’m getting perilously close to having a guess at what the culprit is. Need to see a bit more though. My best effort at this early stage is chamberlainianum or a similar sequential bloomer (some Cochlopetalum type) crossed to a multifloral like lowii or philippinense. Should be able to tell more when open, from dorsal, pouch, and petals when more formed and visible.

The chamberlainianum greatly reduces the size of its offspring as well, and adds great hybrid vigor, as you could testify to. The cross is called Paph. Burning Chamber. Thoughts on this?