Too Early to Hazard a Guess About This Paph?

[JMNYC]

Hi,
I guess this is premature, but, for the first time since finding it tiny and withered years ago, I finally yearn to know what this Paph might be! Well, ballpark.

I don’t suppose it’s possible to hazard identity info just from the usual two buds emerging, right? I should wait until the first bud actually opens, yes? And THEN make pics.

As I posted elsewhere, I now have two pots of this after dividing last year, each now filled with mature fans. This, my #81, at least is about to bloom on only one fan; the other, my #80…..just jammed with fans producing more leaves, and more fans despite there is almost no room.

Again, to be diplomatic & kind--- the colors, to me, they are a bit muddy including the pink of the pouch. But I grow it with the same sense of privileged devotion as I grow everything…..cause, I rescued it form the trash and it cannot get up and leave and go elsewhere.

PS….I should add, in case it’s helpful to anyone, see pics….I use wire garment hangers in many elements of my growing (including hanging plants from ceiling hooks)…and including making stem supports for some orchids as per this one. They are FREE. Free=GOOD. I just make a longer one every coupla days as the stem matures. Bonus: no metal touches the stem….given the cheap wire hangers (find tons in the trash in the metal recycling bin) are coated. All you need is a pair of pliers.

[MattWoelfsen]

It is always nice to read about a plant's provenance and to see a picture of the plant. It would be difficult to identify your plant but may be possible when it comes into bloom. There are a lot of Phap. experts on the board. Good suggestion in re-purposing wire hangers.

[Fairorchids]

Few NOIDs can be identified with certainty. At this point, the bud looks like a sequential multifloral. The most common one around is probably Paph Pinocchio.

[JMNYC]

Originally Posted by Fairorchids

Few NOIDs can be identified with certainty. At this point, the bud looks like a sequential multifloral. The most common one around is probably Paph Pinocchio.

It IS a sequential multifloral; but it only produces two buds. Many thanks for offering even that guess! I will now follow up!

Edit: Just delved and found Paph Pinocchio, it's charming! But not mine. Mine has longer petals and different dorsal. Not to worry, I will make another pic when the first flower opens.

I do know the near impossibility of identifiying NOIDS, esp Phals.....which is why I would never ask about most of mine.

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Originally Posted by MattWoelfsen

It is always nice to read about a plant's provenance and to see a picture of the plant. It would be difficult to identify your plant but may be possible when it comes into bloom. There are a lot of Phap. experts on the board. Good suggestion in re-purposing wire hangers.

Yes! the cheap wire hangers most dry cleaning businesses use, are infinite in their re-purposing potential, esp in growing orchids.

I will wait until the first flower opens and ripens and then made pics. In this case, I would like more info simply to see if I can learn to help it produce more blooms on more fans based on its identity.

Thanks, Matt!

[tryingtoflower]

It's a beautiful plant and extra special because it's a rescue. Congratulations! Thanks for the hanger tip too.

[JMNYC]

Originally Posted by tryingtoflower

It's a beautiful plant and extra special because it's a rescue. Congratulations! Thanks for the hanger tip too.

I so appreciate your kindness; all 33 of my Phals are rescues; coming upon a discarded half dead orchid in the trash of my building way back started this obsession.

Both pots....I divided this NOID over a year ago, are normally healthy, but I am now wanting to know more about it (them) simply because it is such a shy boomer. If I understand it better, I might be able to be more helpful to it. Them...my#s 80 and 81.

Tho again, frankly, it isn't that pretty (you will soon see), nor something I would have chosen, but they choose you.

Of late, I am finding some very strange things. Well, strange presentations.

YES!!!!! The late Ms. Crawford notwithstanding, wire hangers are infinitely useful. I should also say, since this stem is maturing so fast, this time, instead of making a new support every couple of days, what I am doing, since it is so secure in the mix which is filled with roots now, is just raising it, prying it up gently, every day to just beneath the bud. When I no longer can, in this event, I will make a new one. When we insert a new support, we risk hurting roots, remember!

One thing the wire hangers can not be used for: making 3 wire plastic pot hangers. The diameter is too big and they are not even close to being as flexible as what we get commercially.

Main thing re the stem supports: be very careful at every juncture not to touch or disturb/traumatize the bud.
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Edit: I forgot to mention, the petals on this NOID are freckled. I can almost not wait for first flower to open; I am positive someone here can tell me something about it....after all these years; better late than never!

[JMNYC]

Wait! I've been delving on the net....and just came upon something which, if memory serves from this NOIDs last bloom, but this is hard to believe....kinda resembles mine!

I am embarrassed to say, I don't find this Toni Semple 'Rosi' pretty either---unless its in person colors are brighter than what we see in in the image--- but, it is AWARDED. Wut?

I know far less about multi floral Pahs (cept for the famous species) than I do everything else I grow. I really like the bulldogs. ALL of them.
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Edit: OMG! Just found the Toni
Semple hybrid crossed with a species in a uTube video! cept that plant is enormous....I SWEAR, that looks very much like a bigger version of my NOID! But mine never produced more than two...perhaps once, three.. flowers.

OrchidWeb - Paph. Toni Semple x liemianum - YouTube

But are those colors not muddy? Same colors as MY muddy colors! Same petals, I think, same dorsal!

Wow...unless my normally good memory has suddenly died, and I am wrong and that is not my mystery puppy, I am GOB SMACKED.

Now I want that bud to mature and open even more! so I can put up a pic!!!!

Clearly, I do not get what is considered desirable in multi floral Paphs by the orthodoxy.

[JMNYC]

Sorry, I continue to delve, just found yet another depiction of this Toni Semple 'Rosi" I just learned about, I will put it up: I mean it, I think this is my NOID or very close.

That neither the colors, nor even the shape make my knees weak or my heart melt....is a whole other thing.

But now, this little adventure/Mystery... has become even more exciting! Well, I mean, for me.
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Edit:.....or perhaps this Song of Love one:
Orchid Paphiopedilum Song OF Love Flowering Size | eBay

I am going to try to not obsess over this until the poor first bud matures and opens.

NOW.....I am positive I will find out what it is! Pretty much. and that, after all these years.....will be thrilling.

That I will not find it prettier....is a whole other topic.

[katrina]

I've said it at least a thousand times but I'll say it again...trying to ID an orchid via a pic only is a completely unreliable ID. There are simply too many hybrids out there that appear similar/same so feel free to delve all you wish but you are driving yourself nuts over something that is getting you no where.

You've said you have no desire to take your plants to judging...so why the obsession in finding the name info? It's not necessary unless you are getting the plant judged and/or you want to do breeding w/the plant. You know you have a paph...you've obviously grown it very well for quite some time...so why chase the uncatchable?

There are some orchids than can be ID'd via a pic only but that is not the norm and it's usually only w/species. When you start looking at hybrids...forget it. It's never going to be a reliable ID. You might be able to ascertain some aspect of the parentage but you will most likely *never* have a definitive ID.

[JMNYC]

Originally Posted by katrina

I've said it at least a thousand times but I'll say it again...trying to ID an orchid via a pic only is a completely unreliable ID. There are simply too many hybrids out there that appear similar/same so feel free to delve all you wish but you are driving yourself nuts over something that is getting you no where.

You've said you have no desire to take your plants to judging...so why the obsession in finding the name info? It's not necessary unless you are getting the plant judged and/or you want to do breeding w/the plant. You know you have a paph...you've obviously grown it very well for quite some time...so why chase the uncatchable?

There are some orchids than can be ID'd via a pic only but that is not the norm and it's usually only w/species. When you start looking at hybrids...forget it. It's never going to be a reliable ID. You might be able to ascertain some aspect of the parentage but you will most likely *never* have a definitive ID.

Hi, katrina! What you say is a given. I've already shared, I have minus 11 desire to know what any of my now 33 Phals are.

But....as I've also shared, in this atypical event re #s 80 and 891....my clear desire is to know something more about it with the thought of then, being able to better abet its journey!

Plus, when finally delved on the net, I was stunned to come upon the hybrids whose images I put up.....which resemble mine almost exaclty. Well, if memory serves.

We shall soon see!

Happy desire to know, to chase data, is a subjective phenomenon. It is also never arbitrary or, in this case, capricious. This....is now a heady mini adventure, and surely nothing to apologize for, given I understand it, and I think, it's All Good!

Also, I get that my new desire to know...esp which species may be in the background, also owes to my new, gestating love for the bulldogs!

Formerly, my very few Paphs were almost an afterthought. That....is now changing!

I also don't think any human is meant to be the arbiter of what any other human is moved to know. But WHY we are moved to this or that....is, I think, always meaningful.