Nice acquisitions, very pretty!
I disagree that the top one is Den. nobile, it looks far more like a hybrid to me, albeit one with a large percentage of nobile ancestry. The other looks like a hybrid, too, of the same type but probably with substantial contribution from Den. moniliforme, similar to ones like Den. Ise, etc.
Unfortunately, without tags these hybrids are impossible to ID, as there are many with very similar ancestry and even within the same cross you'll see a fair amount of diversity. Just follow general 'nobile-type' hybrid culture and they ought to grow and bloom well for you.
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