Can anyone id this paphiopedilum? - Orchid Board

maryannec · #1 11-11-2011, 02:59 PM

Does anyone know the name of this paphiopedilum. It has beautiful mottled leaves. Hope the photo is clear enough.

Thanks.

ronaldhanko · #2 11-11-2011, 03:09 PM

There are so many crosses that can look like this, that even though one can make some guesses at the parents, it just isn't possible to identify them.

FairyInTheFlowers · #3 11-11-2011, 05:27 PM

I agree with Ron, a proper ID will be impossible. Since I haven't seen an intro post by you,

! It is great to see another Canadian on the Board!

RosieC · #4 11-12-2011, 03:16 PM

I agree with above. They are many like this. For care it's similar to the Maudaie types of Paphs, I have a couple like this and I love them, but I don't know what mine are either.

opal · #5 11-13-2011, 10:19 AM

LOL

All is not lost, don't despair. I am trying to ID the paph with no flowers, its the smallest group of hibrids among chids and not that complicated to approximately ID it.

First lets describe it properly:
purple/wine flame coloured Maudiae type hibrid with green center fading to wine at the tips and huge spotting mostly on top of the petals and a white halo.

When IDing the important stuff to look for is the balance between pouch and upper petal and the shape, curling and angle towards the pouch of the side petals. When you do that, then google all possible outcomes and then search for leaf pattern that matches yours. Once you do all that you will know approx or main hybrid in it.

I once stumbled upon an identification just by mottles on the leaf but sadly I haven't bookmarked it.

However even with this you won't get 100% ID, but you can be on a safe side saying it is mix of that one.

Here are some helpful links
The Slipper Orchids
Paphiopedilum Species
Paphiopedilum Data Sheets

Good luck

ronaldhanko · #6 11-13-2011, 11:01 AM

Even leaf patterns are not the same in different clones of the same hybrid, i.e., you can have two Paph. Maudiae with entirely different leaf patterns as well as flowers.

maryannec · #7 11-13-2011, 05:55 PM

Thank you everyone for your help. Opal, the answer is yes to each of your descriptions and I've done a bit of googling and the best I've come up with is maudiae vinicolor. Seems close, but pretty hard to tell.

PaphMadMan · #8 11-13-2011, 10:39 PM

Yes, a vinicolor Maudiae could look like that, or could look very different. Hundreds of other hybrids could also look like that.

I don't know where Opal got the impression that Paph hybrids are a small and simple group. Paph Maudiae alone has over 3000 hybrids that descend from it. Yes, you can make an approximate identification - Muadiae type. That narrows it down to thousands of hybrids, most of which are quite variable, and at least half of which are essentially indistinguishable, and that is as close as you will get with any NoID Maudiae type.

opal · #9 11-14-2011, 11:22 AM

Paph group is the smallest group of hybrids among orchids. Not like you try with phalaenopsis or oncidiums.

I thought vinicolor can't have halo? Flame, on the other hand can?

FairyInTheFlowers · #10 11-14-2011, 11:57 AM

Actually, I am pretty sure the genus Paphiopedilum contains one of the largest amount of hybrids. I have read in Orchids that one specific hybrid, Paph. Winston Churchill, has breed around 620 first generation progeny, and this is just one hybrid, and not counting further generations. From what I gathered on the IOR, there is over 21,000 Paph hybrids. So there is no way we can put an absolute ID on his Paph, but like was stated, a general idea of what it is can he given.