I'm Stumped, Can Someone Help? - Orchid Board

Junebug · #1 10-30-2011, 01:19 AM

I bought a new chid today at a local orchid show today. It's a cattleya and it's pretty and it had a name so I bought it. Now here's the thing that stumps me. Oh yeah, the orchid label lists the name as Blc. Tainan Gold 'Golden Oriole'. There were no awards listed on the tag and the cross wasn't either. So when I got my new baby home I did an internet search to find out more about the cross parents. Now this is where it gets confusing...

The parents for 'Golden Oriole' are listed as (Blc. Toshie Aoki x Blc Waianae Princess) and I found 2 awards listed for this plant, an AM/AOS and AM/OSROC. My tag does not reflect either award...why?

Now, along my search I kept coming across a different Blc. Tainan Gold...a 'Golden Sparrow'. This hybrid lists the same parents as the 'Golden Oriole'.

Then I bumped into a site that listed my plant as an Rlc. Tainan Gold 'Golden Oriole' with (Rlc. Toshie Aoki x Rlc. Waianae Princess) as parents.

I sort of understand the Blc. changing to an Rlc. but I don't understand how the same parents are listed for 2 different recognized hybrids.

I've primarily been a grower of noids, and this name business confuses me. Would someone be so kind as to help me figure this out. Much thanks in advance.

Oh, and here's her photo

Bud · #2 10-30-2011, 01:25 AM

Its the same orchid with the same parent but it depends on who registered it first. The RHS registered it in 1998 on that parent orchids and now in 2011 theres another who registered it with the same parent but the RHS didnt bother to check if it was already registred on a diff name...and registers it again on a new name...isnt it ironic that this things happen??!!

Gage · #3 10-30-2011, 01:36 AM

The last part of the name, which is in quotes, is the clone name. They are the same cross, different clone. Remember that 2 siblings from the same parents can look quite different. So when a cross gets an award, that plant can be given a clonal name. You and I can have two siblings, but if yours gets an award mine doesn't carry that award. But if you give me a division of yours or if I make a clone from yours some other way, that clone will carry the name you gave yours, and the award. Hope this helps.

Bud · #4 10-30-2011, 01:41 AM

Gage's answer is the best...mine made the RHS look inept lol

Junebug · #5 10-30-2011, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Gage

The last part of the name, which is in quotes, is the clone name. They are the same cross, different clone. Remember that 2 siblings from the same parents can look quite different. So when a cross gets an award, that plant can be given a clonal name. You and I can have two siblings, but if yours gets an award mine doesn't carry that award. But if you give me a division of yours or if I make a clone from yours some other way, that clone will carry the name you gave yours, and the award. Hope this helps.

Hmmm. Help me sort this out. Since my plant has the clonal name 'Golden Oriole' and the 'Golden Oriole' has a AM/AOS does that mean it's automatically identified as an awarded plant even if the vendor didn't write it on the tag?

msaar · #6 10-30-2011, 02:20 AM

To further confuse you, destroy your faith in mankind, and (hopefully) cause you to treat anything you find on the internet with at least a little skepticism, the only Tainan Gold awarded by the AOS is 'Siskin' AM/AOS. (per AQ Plus)

Junebug · #7 10-30-2011, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by msaar

To further confuse you, destroy your faith in mankind, and (hopefully) cause you to treat anything you find on the internet with at least a little skepticism, the only Tainan Gold awarded by the AOS is 'Siskin' AM/AOS. (per AQ Plus)

Let me guess...does the 'Siskin' have the same parents too?

Gage · #8 10-30-2011, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Junebug

Hmmm. Help me sort this out. Since my plant has the clonal name 'Golden Oriole' and the 'Golden Oriole' has a AM/AOS does that mean it's automatically identified as an awarded plant even if the vendor didn't write it on the tag?

If that clone has an award, you can put it on your tag. You'd have to look it up. And yes, the same cross can have many different clones. Same parents, just little variations in the bloom. Remember, the hybrid name tells you who it's parents are, the clone name tells you the exact plant you have (barring clonal mutations).

silken · #9 10-30-2011, 04:09 AM

To repeat the same info in different words, when the parents were crossed and the seeds resulted, many plants named Blc. Tainan Gold were produced from those many seeds. One looked great and won an award and it was given the name 'Golden Oriole' (assuming it really did win the award). If clones are taken from it by doing tissue culture or dividing it, or whatever, they all retain that clonal name of 'Golden Oriole' and they carry the award behind it.

An orchid can be given a clonal name even if it hasn't won an award.

tucker85 · #10 10-30-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gage

The last part of the name, which is in quotes, is the clone name. They are the same cross, different clone. Remember that 2 siblings from the same parents can look quite different. So when a cross gets an award, that plant can be given a clonal name. You and I can have two siblings, but if yours gets an award mine doesn't carry that award. But if you give me a division of yours or if I make a clone from yours some other way, that clone will carry the name you gave yours, and the award. Hope this helps.

That's excellent information, Gage. I've wondered about that myself.