Two paphs need to be identified

[Pupka]

Hello guys!

A friend of mine recently bought these two paphs without tags. If you could please help us to identify them. We would really appreciate your help.



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[damasks1]

First one looks to be a Paph sukhakulii or 'sanderianum x wardii'
The second one maybe a 'Honey'(philippinense x primulinum) with more paph. philippinense. or some thing of that sort. there are many unnamed hybrids out though so it could have an interesting background... Dont know if any of this helped but its a place to start

[Dorothy]

Try this site Orchid Photo Galleries - Paphiopedilum / Paph species and Hybrids.
I hope it helps

[smartie2000]

the first one is sukhakulii x multifloral. sorry I am no good with multiflorals with helmet pouches
the second one resembles a paph honey but similar crosses that are cochlosepalum x philippinense can give similar results