Obviously more than paphs then. You are spot on of course. The actual handwritten tage on this poor little bloke just had Cyrt. "Rustic Surprise". I hadn't even heard of an interspecific hybrid. In fact from what I could find out there's a fair degree of fuzziness about this Cyrtochilum lot...but they seem to grow significantly cooler than the Oncidiums. Well worth a gamble at $1.50. Many thanks, will post pix ASAP.