Self x Self = ...Self?

[lycaonpictus]

Not really an ID question, but it's ABOUT identifications, so this seemed the best place to post it.

I just got my first flask of tolumnia! It's been set up as a compot, and I'm not sure what to write on the tag! This is an Ocd. Kimberly Kosaki 'Ballerina' selfing. Does that make it Kimberly Kosaki, as well? Does it keep the 'Ballerina'? How, exactly, are selfings named??

Inquiring minds want to know!

[gnathaniel]

It does retain the same grex name, as it has the same species parentage. The clonal name will not carry to the offspring, as they are sexual offspring and will each have their own unique genes through the magic of genetic recombination. Hope this helps!

--Nat

[fotofashion]

OK,while we are at non id id questions....I have a couple of plants that have 4N in their names. What does 4N signify? Thanks
Beverly A.

[gnathaniel]

Hi Beverly, 4N signifies that the plant is tetraploid, ie that it has double the usual 2 sets of chromosomes (diploid). This occasionally occurs in wild plants but is more usually the result of treatment with a chemical called colchicine. 4N plants tend to have heavier substance and longer-lasting flowers, useful traits for both hybridizers and hobbyists.

--Nat

[Royal]

Originally Posted by lycaonpictus

How, exactly, are selfings named??

This is how I would write it:

Ocd. Kimberly Kosaki ('Ballerina' x self)

[lycaonpictus]

Thanks, guys!

[fotofashion]

Many thanks Nat.
Beverly A.

[gnathaniel]

Happy to be of assistance!

--Nat

[PaphMadMan]

Originally Posted by gnathaniel

It does retain the same grex name, as it has the same species parentage. The clonal name will not carry to the offspring, as they are sexual offspring and will each have their own unique genes through the magic of genetic recombination. Hope this helps!

--Nat

Just to clear up a potential misunderstanding, '"has the same species parentage" does not necessarily mean 2 plants will have the same grex name. Better to just say that any crosses within a grex, whether self, sib or unrelated, gives the same grex.

[gnathaniel]

Originally Posted by PaphMadMan

Just to clear up a potential misunderstanding, '"has the same species parentage" does not necessarily mean 2 plants will have the same grex name. Better to just say that any crosses within a grex, whether self, sib or unrelated, gives the same grex.

Very good point! I guess I didn't think things through... The same ancestor species crossed with each other in different ways would indeed have different grex names:

(A x B) x C ≠ A x (B x C)

The crosses would all have to be in the same order to yield the same grex, ie the ancestry tree would have identical constituency and order of generations. Thanks for the clarification!

--Nat