I guess I'm a little late to this conversation and don't really have much to add! I would guess that saccatum is correct for the first one, though I wonder why this one has such a hairy lip. The second pic looks like an expansum cross, but with what I have no clue! I can't even guess as to what would give such an unusual lip on that one. The flowers looks like it is one the small side for an expansum and it has the double lobed labellum, so maybe its a cross with one of the smaller Catasetums related to....? I dunno!!
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