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Old 08-29-2009, 02:37 PM
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I forgot to specify the complicated growing part.

I recently (as in about a month ago), contacted a retired university professor who studied orchid seed germination. In particular, I asked about Disas.

Well, it turns out he had made a Disa hybrid that was a total disaster.

I know for those who aren't into Disas, no one's going to know what I'm talking about, so I'll be brief.

He bred Disa atricapilla (a deciduous winter rainfall Disa that goes dormant during the summer) and Disa uniflora (an evergreen Disa).

You know what he told me?

This hybrid bombed because the offspring didn't know whether to keep growing or go dormant. They all died!

Can you imagine growing something this complicated? Where would you start?

Needless to say, I sensed the despair over this hybrid in his emails. He had told me in South Africa, the failed hybrid was named after him. That sounds like an embarrassing joke to me.

It sounds like a painful reminder of the blunder you've created, that even to this day, they didn't let you forget about it (from what I understand he created this hybrid over 20 yrs ago). Much like Dr. Frankenstein and Frankenstein's monster, without the death part.

What I'm saying is: more thought, less cool, when breeding hybrids!

More thought, less cool goes for science as well, in my opinion. Geez!

Keep It Simple Stupid (you know K.I.S.S. - not the rock band)!

What ever happened to that? As if this saying wasn't beat into the inner recesses of people's psychological being.

What's more is...

What's wrong with the hybrids we have now? There are so many, they're literally crawling out of the woodworks! Why not handle these?

What's wrong with Cattleytonia Why Not? I loved this guy when I had it. What happened to Phal Everspring Prince? Even though I had a hard time with this one, I tried several times to make it happen. Then there's the barrage of NOID's, what the hell, that's not enough! Or the myriad of Doritaenopsis out there, which I think are pretty bad a$$.

Of course not...

We went from species. Pfff!!! Whatever, weeds!

To inter-species hybrids (primary or natural hybrids) - BORING!

Then came inter-generic hybrids - aw man we can out do these!

And...maybe later (not sure, maybe not) - inter-alliance hybrids and glow in the dark orchids - NOW THAT'S BAD A$$!!!!

What???

We haven't even truly begun to appreciate what we have, now it's all about the shiny and new?!

What the...!!!!

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Old 08-29-2009, 03:26 PM
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Alright, here's another thing...

Artists will know what I'm talking about when I say this...

Many of our instructors have told us in one form or another...

What's the purpose of the art you're creating. Are you creating art for art's sake. That's not art. What are you really trying to convey with your art and how?
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:33 PM
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You know, I think the problem with orchid species is honestly because very few hobbyists and sellers have actually seen them grow in nature.

That's what this issue of vigor is all about.

We've never seen them growing in nature, we don't have a clue as to what conditions they're used to. And we don't know if what we're providing is close enough to what they encounter in nature.

For example Coryanthes, right as I was typing this rant, I found pics of Coryanthes growing in the wild. Just today! Prior to this I only found ONE! How random!

Google Image Result for http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3037/3109850119_e99e1ea3f4.jpg?v=0

Google Image Result for http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3037/3109850119_e99e1ea3f4.jpg?v=0

Google Image Result for http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3037/3109850119_e99e1ea3f4.jpg?v=0

Google Image Result for http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3037/3109850119_e99e1ea3f4.jpg?v=0

Judging from these pics, I would've never guessed!!!! Would any of you?!

Here's Stanhopea in nature. Another one I would've never guessed.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gzcSLF2cdRs/Sf...I/DSC_2649.JPG

http://www.orchidspecies.com/orphotd...ernandezii.jpg

http://www.orchidspecies.com/orphotd...ernandezii.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gzcSLF2cdRs/Sf...Y/DSC_2497.JPG

Here's another: Paphiopedilum stonei I sure as hell didn't know prior, imagine my surprise when I found these!

Google Image Result for http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2373/2094605183_62201e305f.jpg?v=0

Google Image Result for http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2355/2095374854_c52c5ce974.jpg?v=0

Google Image Result for http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/2907365506_9c85f28d95.jpg?v=0

Google Image Result for http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2231/2095343752_1c124243a5.jpg?v=0

Here's Phragmipedium bessae:

http://www.slipperorchids.info/phrag...igllinda)3.jpg

http://www.slipperorchids.info/phrag...igllinda)5.jpg

http://www.slipperorchids.info/phrag...igllinda)1.jpg

http://www.slipperorchids.info/phrag...igllinda)2.jpg

http://www.slipperorchids.info/phrag...igllinda)6.jpg

Phragmipedium kovachii:

Phragmipedium kovachii

http://www.slipperorchids.info/phrag...ii(insitu).jpg

To top it all off here's a common plant:

Ludisia discolor:

travel | ?????? ?????? ????

http://idisk.mac.com/shutcha/Public/...discolor_s.jpg

I hope I've made some points here.
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beautiful photos, nicely done....good to see them growing in the wild...i hope they get left alone.....
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Old 08-30-2009, 12:34 PM
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I am a novice - I started with some closeout phals - and I thought no more phals.
Now I saw the Phal equestris and bastianii... and I find them so much more beautiful and interesting looking than all those hybrids you see in hotel lobbies and florists windows.

Probably it can be fun if you have the resources to cross pollinate and see what comes out... But for the most part I find the species more attractive.
I like to travel and I like to see wilderness, I like to see vegetation grow thru cracks in rocks.

Anyway many species remind me of faraway or close by wilderness. they remind me of the adaptability of nature, they bring my imagination to place I have been and I want to go.

Some hybrids just make me think of florists, aseptic lobbies, marketing and so on.

Anyway. some hybrids are cool and hybrids happen in nature too...

but now I do not want any hybrid phals or dendrobiums...

But well I hope I can fid a phal equestris for trade!
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Old 09-24-2009, 05:43 PM
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ok NOW IM CONFUSED ABOUT HIS HYBRIDISING THING. I also knew that usually orchids cant be hybridised outside their alliance.Usully. But i was reading the other day that Zygopetalums have been hybridised with Epidendrums suscsefully! Is this really possible?
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:52 AM
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Phalaenopsis and Vandaceous have long been known to be in different alliance.
I thought Phals were 'vandanaceous', or at least close enough as monopodials

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You know what, now that I'm thinking about it...this thread shouldn't really even be taken all that seriously. What the hell am I doing?.

Grumble.
Exactly!
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