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10-03-2008, 12:43 AM
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Ah! Rosim. Love the logic. I would have accepted labiata without that extra bit of knowledge. I have the nagging suspicion that I have seen that painting in a book though.
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10-06-2008, 09:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Morris
Ah! Rosim. Love the logic. I would have accepted labiata without that extra bit of knowledge. I have the nagging suspicion that I have seen that painting in a book though.
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10-31-2008, 05:00 PM
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Head Orchid = "cattleya labiata or a closely related variety"
Hi Orchid Board,
the Art Historian forwarded me this information regarding the orchids identity:
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008 04:24PM
Subject: Heade orchid
Hi Mike, Thanks for the message about our Heade orchid -- I did some digging and found out that others agree with what you and your colleagues came up thought (they say "cattleya labiata or a closely related variety"), so I'm very glad that all the experts agree! Thanks for looking into it. If you're interested, I have a beautiful Heade book in my office with lots of other examples.
Best, Kim
Kimberly Orcutt, Ph.D.
Associate Curator of American Art
New-York Historical Society
170 Central Park West
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10-31-2008, 05:44 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, if Mauro says it is Cattleya warneri, then it IS Cattleya warneri! |
11-01-2008, 02:43 PM
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I will forward Mauro's info to the art historian
I just re-read Mauro's argument. I will show it to Kim the art historian - I think she will find it very interesting.
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11-05-2008, 08:32 PM
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By the way, here's a link for another painting by Martin Jonhson Head (National Gallery of Art, Washington), this one made in 1871, showing a perfectly identifiable Cattleya warneri.
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11-06-2008, 03:51 PM
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Wow, what an artisit!
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11-27-2008, 03:10 PM
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I have finally forwarded Mauro's info to the Art Historian
Hi,
I have finally forwarded Mauro's response to Kim, one of the Art Historians at the New York Historical Society. we will see what she says. In passing she suggested that Heade may have possibly painted the orchid on sight in brazil, not knowing that it was Cattleya Labiatta...
Sorry it has taken me so long to continue the dialog on this one.
best,
jason
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11-27-2008, 04:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jason woodrue
Hi,
.... In passing she suggested that Heade may have possibly painted the orchid on sight in brazil, not knowing that it was Cattleya Labiatta...
Sorry it has taken me so long to continue the dialog on this one.
best,
jason
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Jason, that can't be ignored, I agree, but only as a remote possibility. Had a paint of C. labiata appeared in 1882 it would be recognized almost immediately and the orchid hunters would have rediscovered it years earlier than it actually was! |
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