Trader Joe Noid

[SteveM]

Just found today at traders Joes. Odontonia and Oncidium. I wished they would label them. The Oncidium I have a pretty good idea what it could be, atleast one possibility, but I know a Noid is a Noid. Anyways the Oncidium is growing out of its pot. Has about 7 -pbulbs and has just started flowering and has 3 flower spike which are tall as anything, sorry about the blurry pic. When it full bloom I will repost. I saw one post on here about someone contacting the nursery to get an ID. Any thoughts on this. I haven't been on here for a while. Been busy with the summer working 2 jobs, gardening, yard work and tending quite a few orchids. Also any tips on how to get proper orientated pictures? No matter what I do they always come out wrong orientation.

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Some people (me) open the image in an image manipulation program on a desktop, rotate it 90 degrees in any direction, save and close, open again, rotate to the proper orientation, save and close, then upload. But some people have said this didn't work.

[ArronOB]

Actually the Noid is a Noid philosophy doesn’t apply quite so well to the Oncidium alliance hybrids. For most oncid hybrids there is only one way to get a particular look and it’s only been done once. I don’t understand why this is but there really is only one The Other Side of Cool (your’s) and nothing else even remotely similar. Only one Everglades Elegance Nancy Lee and nothing else similar, only one Bar. This and That etc. The exceptions are the yellow ‘dancing ladies’, the Miltoniopsis and the medium size reddish orange intergenerics (sorry, don’t know any other way to classify them).

It’s not like cattleyas where there are countless white flowered hybrids with red lips, or standard mauves by the hundreds. Not like phals either where even the act of giving a complex hybrid a name is almost pointless and most breeders have given up with hybrid names long ago.

[Dusty Ol' Man]

Originally Posted by SteveM

Also any tips on how to get proper orientated pictures? No matter what I do they always come out wrong orientation.

Upload your photos to Postimages — free image hosting / image upload , choose the 'hotlink for forums' option. This will copy the link to your clipboard. Paste the link in your message here. Your picture will appear properly oriented in your message.

[SteveM]

Thanks all for the excellent responses and suggestions. I will give them a try, and to clear up some NOID philosophies. So a question about another oncidium I have. It is a Sharry Baby look alike. except it does not smell like chocolate but closer to cinnamon and is not over whelming but can smell from a few feet away. Looked this up and came back with nothing. Only Sharry babys or Twinkle, I really dont think its either.

[ArronOB]

Peoples’ descriptions of whether things smell like chocolate or cinnamon or anything else are subjective and not very reliable.

Some usually fragrant orchids miss out altogether - especially when complex hybrids which are genetically pretty messed up.

Some orchids like sharry baby don’t produce fragrance continuously, but more likely only in the conditions when their pollinators are likely to be at work. Often it’s only on a warm sunny morning, which I guess were conditions in which their pollinators were flying back in their original habitat.

Sharry Baby was immediately popular when produced but there were several attempts to recreate it but with denser flower spikes, rather then very long spikes with flowers too spread out. One of these was O. heaven Scent. I have one and it’s hard to notice the scent at all. I think O. Aka Baby is another.

Some people take orchid ID’s very seriously but because I don’t participate in shows, competitions or clubs I’m not greatly worried about getting a hybrid orchid’s ID wrong. To me they are more just a way of making sure I don’t buy too many of the same thing. If I’m not sure about the ID I usually just find something close and label it with a ‘like’. Ie ‘Oncidium LIKE Sharry Baby’. Meets all requirements.

[Blueszz]

Originally Posted by ArronOB

Some people take orchid ID’s very seriously but because I don’t participate in shows, competitions or clubs I’m not greatly worried about getting a hybrid orchid’s ID wrong.

Well, to me ID's are important. They give a way a lot about how to culture a plant IMHO.

[Fairorchids]

Originally Posted by ArronOB

Actually the Noid is a Noid philosophy doesn’t apply quite so well to the Oncidium alliance hybrids. For most oncid hybrids there is only one way to get a particular look and it’s only been done once. I don’t understand why this is but there really is only one The Other Side of Cool (your’s) and nothing else even remotely similar. Only one Everglades Elegance Nancy Lee and nothing else similar, only one Bar. This and That etc. The exceptions are the yellow ‘dancing ladies’, the Miltoniopsis and the medium size reddish orange intergenerics (sorry, don’t know any other way to classify them).

It’s not like cattleyas where there are countless white flowered hybrids with red lips, or standard mauves by the hundreds. Not like phals either where even the act of giving a complex hybrid a name is almost pointless and most breeders have given up with hybrid names long ago.

This is a question which combines demand & propagation methods. There are thousands of Cattleya hybrids, and more produced every year. Most plants are seed propagated, with resulting variations. Eventually a select few (usually awarded plants) are mass prouced by the meristem process.

There is less demand for the Oncidium/Odontoglossum hybrids. There is still some breeding; eventually the breeders select a few for the meristem process, and all of these identical plants then reach the mass market. If you were to reach the breeder and purchase a dozen seedlings, you would find the same variations as are seen in the Cattleyas.

[SteveM]

I'm not to concerned about hybrid ID either. With me species ID is important. Hybrids I really don't get all gobbled down with it, Just curious about what it could be, The Id is just a way of me to keep track of what it is so I have it labeled sharry baby, if its not, Im not too concerend. I have my phals labeled Honey 1 through 10 since my honey gave them to me LOL. I do plan on doing species seedlings and plants in the near future. I have a Oncidium intergeneric with a seed pod right now since feb that I plan on doing for practice (still have safew more months on that). All my species are seedlings so I have time to practice lol. And I agree some hybrids are genetically very confused, almost an embonamation. As with culture, I think general culture will work most of the time with hybrids because they are usually from 2 different extremes to make them easier to care for. From what I see the big thing with culture are the species. They are more sensitive to differences.