No ID/ID Phal - Orchid Board

Tcc85 · #1 01-26-2021, 04:48 PM

So I've had this for a year now, bought it in a local flower shop. Slightly more pastel but warmer colours on the second bloom and it spreads lovely fragrance during the day, somewhat reminiscent of cyclamen. Leaves are darker green mottled with silvery dots.

20191222_123426 by Click-er, on Flickr

Originaly I only knew this orchid was one of Opti-flor's novelty fragrant hybrids. Now I found out it's named Aromio Oriental, one of three other fragrant hybrids.

20201108_114054 by Click-er, on Flickr

I have been trying to find the phal species crossed into this one, but with no luck so far. I'm thinking some part definitely belongs to P. stuartiana due to spots in the flowers and foliage.

Any other ideas?

Clawhammer · #2 01-26-2021, 05:08 PM

Your description of the foliage and the pink tones in the flower lead me to guess significant phal schilleriana in it's background

Tcc85 · #3 01-28-2021, 12:54 PM

Yes, I think you are right about P. schilleriana.

Roberta · #4 01-29-2021, 12:29 AM

There's a primary hybrid, Phal Wiganiae, which is schilleriana x stuartiana. The photos of the hybrid look a lot like your plant. If it isn't this primary hybrid, I think that both species are involved.

camille1585 · #5 01-30-2021, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Roberta

There's a primary hybrid, Phal Wiganiae, which is schilleriana x stuartiana. The photos of the hybrid look a lot like your plant. If it isn't this primary hybrid, I think that both species are involved.

I don't think this is Phal Wiganiae. I have one, and it looks rather different and is not scented, though I'm aware that there can be differences. The other thing is that this cross already has the trade name of Phal Philadelphia, so I'm not sure another company could re-trademark it.

Roberta · #6 01-30-2021, 11:37 AM

I looked up the name, Aromio Oriental isn't registered... so it is a trade name - sometimes breeders don't want to "share" the parentage.

Tcc85 · #7 01-30-2021, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Roberta

There's a primary hybrid, Phal Wiganiae, which is schilleriana x stuartiana. The photos of the hybrid look a lot like your plant. If it isn't this primary hybrid, I think that both species are involved.

I was just looking this hybrid up the other day and I also thought they look somewhat similar.

Well, I did hope I'd find the parentage but I guess it doesn't really matter. I'm so intrigued what the seedling of the cross with equestris apari will look like

Roberta · #8 01-30-2021, 05:03 PM

If a grower doesn't register a cross (RHS in the UK is the international registrar) then they don't need to identify the parentage... it is their "secret sauce" ... it isn't really possible to patent a hybrid (DNA sequencing isn't that robust, and besides it's expensive to do, and to defend in court), but if nobody knows what is in the mix, they can't reproduce it.