Help in identify these two Phal.

[wongswai]

Dear all,

I received these two Phals with no name. Can someone help me to identify it? Thank you!

[estación seca]

So many thousands of similar hybrids are produced, it isn't possible to tell. Also, many plants are never given names. If the seller can tell you where they bought the plants, you might be able to track them back to the original grower, and they might be able to tell you.

[wongswai]

Thank you very much.