Thanks again for the tips. Carmelo Orchids in Hawaii used to have lots of offerings, but the current list has nothing of interest to me. Likewise of HBI. I have contacted Myers and a few others about flasking my own hybrids. I have several pods developing, but going that route it will take perhaps 4 years to first bloom. That is why I'm trying to find the type of Phals I like in flasks now, i.e., to cut off a couple of years.