Anyone know where to get this phal?

[escualida]

Originally Posted by bballr4567

What surprising? They cant guarantee it if it didnt come from them. Thats not that hard to believe.

I think it's surprising because even if they didn't grow it themselves, they ARE selling it and should want to not sell virused plants. I understand that some might get through but if they do, and the plant is found to have a virus, they should be willing to give a refund or replacement. Just because Wal-Mart doesn't make toasters, doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to return a damaged toaster bought from them. A virused plant is basically a damaged product.

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by escualida

I think it's surprising because even if they didn't grow it themselves, they ARE selling it and should want to not sell virused plants. I understand that some might get through but if they do, and the plant is found to have a virus, they should be willing to give a refund or replacement. Just because Wal-Mart doesn't make toasters, doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to return a damaged toaster bought from them. A virused plant is basically a damaged product.

And once again, vendors cant test every single orchid that comes through their doors as it would put them out of business for sure. You have to see it from their side too. They have no idea if you are doing the testing correct or just might be saying its diseased to get rid of it because you didnt like it. Lots of variables involved.

I understand your frustration but like I said in the other thread, the only way to know for sure is to get a seedling and you might pay more to get it from a vendor that will guarantee it.

[escualida]

Originally Posted by bballr4567

And once again, vendors cant test every single orchid that comes through their doors as it would put them out of business for sure. You have to see it from their side too. They have no idea if you are doing the testing correct or just might be saying its diseased to get rid of it because you didnt like it. Lots of variables involved.

I understand your frustration but like I said in the other thread, the only way to know for sure is to get a seedling and you might pay more to get it from a vendor that will guarantee it.

And once again, like I said I understand that some might slip through and that the cost of testing every single plant might be high. But when one DOES slip through it is up to the SELLER to stand by their product and replace it or give a refund. There is no reason for the buyer to have to be the one to swallow the cost.

Saying that you think the buyer would buy a plant and then say it is diseased because they changed their minds is ABSURD. And even if this WERE to happen, it is pretty simple to verify. The seller can ask said buyer to send a sample to a reputable lab like Critter Creek, and if it comes up positive they can then add the cost of the test to the refund that they will give. It's that simple.

I don't feel sorry for sellers, they need to take all of this into account when starting their business, they can't just decide that it's ok to sell diseased plants and then take no responsibility when they are caught.

I do want to give a little update on Hausermann's in particular. Someone from there actually called me and we spoke for a while, in the end they told me that I could purchase whatever plants from them and if I send a sample to Critter Creek and it comes up positive they would indeed take responsibility. I agreed and I will probably still buy plants from them for this reason.

There are other sellers, however that are knowingly selling diseased plants and then either asking for them back so they can resell them, or simply not taking responsibility. One of those is orchids.com and there are others. THIS IS WRONG.

[NYCorchidman]

Originally Posted by escualida

And once again, like I said I understand that some might slip through and that the cost of testing every single plant might be high. But when one DOES slip through it is up to the SELLER to stand by their product and replace it or give a refund. There is no reason for the buyer to have to be the one to swallow the cost.

Saying that you think the buyer would buy a plant and then say it is diseased because they changed their minds is ABSURD. And even if this WERE to happen, it is pretty simple to verify. The seller can ask said buyer to send a sample to a reputable lab like Critter Creek, and if it comes up positive they can then add the cost of the test to the refund that they will give. It's that simple.

I don't feel sorry for sellers, they need to take all of this into account when starting their business, they can't just decide that it's ok to sell diseased plants and then take no responsibility when they are caught.

I do want to give a little update on Hausermann's in particular. Someone from there actually called me and we spoke for a while, in the end they told me that I could purchase whatever plants from them and if I send a sample to Critter Creek and it comes up positive they would indeed take responsibility. I agreed and I will probably still buy plants from them for this reason.

There are other sellers, however that are knowingly selling diseased plants and then either asking for them back so they can resell them, or simply not taking responsibility. One of those is orchids.com and there are others. THIS IS WRONG.

Who are the others?? I want to know for the record so I know when I shop in the future.

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We are talking about relatively newer phals hybrids that are mass cloned and sold, not some old virused catts.

Anyways, it is really frustrating how the reality of it all is. But honestly, something must be done to those people who would sell crappy plants and would do nothing about it.
It is just unethical.
Afterall, back in the days when people didn't know much about virus and its davastating effect on horticulture industry, they kept on spreading and now we see the result.
Tight policies need to be employed to make things better.

We are the abused minority, Adriana. How sad!

Truly frustrating!