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Old 05-15-2012, 11:59 PM
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yes! i have heard of this method and tried it before with a different orchid....sphag and bag i think its called??? i was unsuccessfull in the past, the roots of the orchid i was trying to save got moldy even after i coated them with cinnamon....so pictures would help a lot since i must have done it wrong last time...pretty bummed about the orchid...i didnt know I would have to cut it thank you for all the help!
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:51 AM
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First off DO NOT put cinnamon on roots. It dries them up. So that probably was why it didn't work. It is a balance of moisture and air flow so it doesn't rot. You can also open the bag for a few hours a day to get some new air to the plant. I will work on some pics.
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:01 AM
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So when I used this method last summer it was on two species plants that I got bare root with no good roots. I first put the plants on a bed of sphagnum moss in a ziplock bag and after they grew enough roots to plant I planted them in a clay pot and sphagnum moss. Then after I potted them I put a ziplock bag over the pot until they started growing well. I grow almost all my plants in sphagnum moss and clay pots so if you usually use a bark mix in a plastic pot that will be fine too if the plant has enough roots to be planted normally.

For an example I am using a sandwich size ziplock bag. You will have to use a bigger one of course. This is how I cut the holes in the bag. This is what it looks like. Like I said before with a bigger bag you will cut more holes in the sides. Second spike on phal blooming, but leaves not looking good-imageuploadedbytapatalk1337141204-093599-jpg
Then soak the moss and squeeze most of the water out so it is moist but not sopping wet. I don't have a bare root plant right now to show you with but just place the plant in the bag. I would probably put the roots down sitting on the moss. You can also soak the moss in a little SuperThrive or KLN. That is what I do. Then hang the bag in a warm spot that has light but not as bright as when you grow a healthy plant. You can open the top of the bag a little bit if you need more air flow. Second spike on phal blooming, but leaves not looking good-imageuploadedbytapatalk1337142508-151820-jpgSecond spike on phal blooming, but leaves not looking good-imageuploadedbytapatalk1337142530-682631-jpg

Then after the plant grew enough roots I planted it and put a bag over the plant for extra humidity until I thought it was healthy to grow by itself. I took a ziplock bag and cut the corners like before but since my plant was small I didn't cut any holes in the sides. If you need to you can. I also would take it off for a few hours if it was too wet. You don't want it to be too warm in the bags to where you would cook the plant. You are just using the bag like a little greenhouse. This is how I put it over the pot.Second spike on phal blooming, but leaves not looking good-imageuploadedbytapatalk1337143075-601033-jpg
Make sure the holes in the bag are open and are not collapsed shut. Like this.Second spike on phal blooming, but leaves not looking good-imageuploadedbytapatalk1337143185-505553-jpg
You can close the bottom of the bag around the pot as tight as you want or open it a little if you need more air flow. Make sure you keep the moss moist. Watch it closely and if you think it is too wet or growing mold give it more air flow.

One of the plants I used this method on is doing great. It is a Sophronitis acuensis. It took about 6 weeks in the bag bare root for it to grow enough roots to be planted. Since then it has grown 15 new growths! The other plant took longer so I don't know how long it will take for your plant. My plants had psuedobulbs to support them through that time though. As long as you can keep the plant from loosing its leaves it should have a fighting chance. You also have a couple ok roots so hopefully they will take off in the humid environment. You also have hybrid vigor on your side! I hope it works for you and if you have any more questions I will try to answer them. Good luck!


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Wynn Dee this has been an amazing help!!! thank you so much! i didnt realize i needed to put the plant right in the bag...just one question though...do you put just the roots in (touching the moss) and have the leaves sticking out the top with the zip lock closed around it? or just put the whole thing in the bag?
and sorry one more question..what are your suggestions on hanging the bag? how do you do it...if there i a way to without putting hooks in the ceiling?
you are amazing to take the time and send me the pictures!
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I'm glad it has helped you! Put the whole plant in the bag. You want the humidity around the leaves to give them some moisture too. Otherwise they will dry out faster and fall off.

I didn't hang mine from the ceiling. I hung mine from my light cart. I grow my plants under lights during the cold months. You don't have to hang it. You can lay it in a warm spot just make sure the holes are open and not collapsed. This is how I hung mine. Second spike on phal blooming, but leaves not looking good-imageuploadedbytapatalk1337197517-766485-jpg
I also put one of my mounted plants in the example bag just to show you. Second spike on phal blooming, but leaves not looking good-imageuploadedbytapatalk1337197570-231344-jpg
Since your plant is a Phal put the roots down on the moss and the leaves up. Place it in the bag upright like how it normally grows in a pot. Let me know if you have any more questions!


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Old 05-25-2012, 04:43 AM
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Ok so....phal has been bagged and hanging in front of a window with bright but no direct light about a week now...no visible change except one more leaf has yellowed...down to 2. Just keeping moss in bag moist..no mold also which is good! Will take pics tomorrow. Waiting patiently
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Old 05-26-2012, 07:31 PM
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Be patient. My plants were in there for at least six weeks. One was in the bag for over three months. They grow slow. Way longer than a week. Good luck!
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i would like to third the notion for cutting the spikes... it is one of the most difficult things, but the plant will make more if it is saved. Plus, in the shape that the plant is in the flowers will last longer in a vase than on the plant because it is dehydrated. At this point I would defineately reccomend the sphag and bag method.
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Unfortunately orchid did not make it. I ended up losing 2 more leaves, leaving none. I think it was just too late- I should have cut spikes months ago...oh well...next time I know better, new orchid in my future on Saturday at the farmers market!! Thanks for everyones help! !
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Sorry to here that. But everyone kills a few while learning! Now you can buy a new one and hopefully take care of it better now that you know how.

Before you buy check the plant out first. Check for good roots, healthy leaves and make sure there are no pests on the plant. Be prepared to repot soon after bringing it home. Try to buy from a good source. I wouldn't buy from the grocery store or big box store unless you want to rescue one. Not that you can't find a good one at one of those places just check out the plant before buying so you don't have any big surprises when you get it home.

There are also many great orchid nurseries online and there are a lot more orchids to choose from! A lot more varieties than you could imagine. It is also so much fun to get one in the mail! It's like opening a present on Christmas morning when you are a kid! If you buy online, the plant might not be in spike but they usually have a page of in spike plants. You could also call to ask what they have in bloom if you want it in flower. Show us some pictures when you get your new orchid! Have fun shopping!
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