HP Norton - Best Phal Breeder on the Planet?

[Undergrounder]

Originally Posted by ockham

What orchid vendors told me here on the subject is that Phalaenopsis flowers are more difficult to form pods than species, also seed productivity x pod and seed viability is more compromised if is compared with phalaenopsis species, same thing with Cattleyas and complex Cattleya hybrids.... Maybe the seed viability is just noticeable comparing both (I don´t know).

Perhaps that broad distinction is based on the fact that species x species crosses almost always tend to be clean ploidy, whereas hybrids in general are more likely to be aneuploid or 3n. While whites, pinks, spots, stripes and harlequins are generally free breeders, multiflorals, miniatures, yellows, reds, greens, blues and novelties are often quite difficult.

Originally Posted by ockham

Is to much bother from my side to ask you the genealogy and personal opinions involved in Phal. Doris, Elisabethae and Katherine Siegwart... I am curious

I found an interesting article that goes into it a little here:

http://www.worldscibooks.com/etextbo...424_chap01.pdf (page 4+)

[trdyl]

Undergrounder, Thanks for the link.

[ockham]

Originally Posted by Undergrounder

Perhaps that broad distinction is based on the fact that species x species crosses almost always tend to be clean ploidy, whereas hybrids in general are more likely to be aneuploid or 3n. While whites, pinks, spots, stripes and harlequins are generally free breeders, multiflorals, miniatures, yellows, reds, greens, blues and novelties are often quite difficult.

That's a very interesting thing, has I said I can´t by my self say to much in phalaenopsis case, but in Cattleya species (and Venezuela is very strong in Cattleya species melioration), many of the best plants for breeding are possible 2(x)n, and almost all formas (alba, semialba, concolor, coerulea) are possible aneuploids.

Un terms of comparing Cattleya species with complex ''cattleya'' hybrids, the only two things not shared that can explain the less productivity are species incompatibility and genetic bottlenecks, but the last thing I believe is becoming rapidly part of shared concomitants. I still have to ''confirm'' if seed productivity among Cattleya species is decreasing or not.

well I had to quote that I am talking ''statistically'' (meaning comparing two things) and never considering ''less seed productivity'' = very difficut to breed but ''less seed productivity'' = more difficut to breed than... that means both can breed freely

Originally Posted by Undergrounder

I found an interesting article that goes into it a little here:

http://www.worldscibooks.com/etextbo...424_chap01.pdf (page 4+)

Excellent reading thank you very much undergrounder you are very kind indeed. I wonder very much how to interpret the percentages involved for example rimestadiana is considered right know part of amabilis, amabilis ssp formosana is conidered as a ssp of aphrodite or even its own sp formosana. The other thing is with Sanderiana, the last phylogenetic paper I read told that wasen´t evidence enough to separate sanderiana I think it was from aphrotide (or was amabilis), http://apps.kew.org/ says that Phal. sanderiana is still a valid name, but I think in the near future the taxon would be merged.

God, this is a mess. hehehehehe