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06-03-2023, 12:32 AM
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for sure, and i wasn't too optimistic about the attempts, especially as more and more failed. and clearly the japonica is morphologically different than the standard species phals. just by looking at the strange coloration of japonica flowers you can tell there are some different genetics going on there! but that's what made me want to try, hehehe
oh well...nothing ventured, nothing gained! but yeah, probably japonica is not going to be on our breeding list anymore unfortunately.
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06-04-2023, 11:44 PM
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of course we r total amateur breeders, but last summer there were about 15 or so attempts made with various standard phals (mostly species) and japonica (standard form) and we had no pollination occur. i know that is a small sample size, but decided it wasn't worth trying anymore!
but then everyone said you couldn't breed with phal mini mark because it is 3N (possibly), yet after years of trying the breeders at Lucke got one to work which they have for sale on their site. soooo, i guess if at first you don't succeed, try try again!
also, yeah, personally i would not breed with grocery phals cause the chances of others wanting the plants beside you is much lower. but if is just for your own curiosity, who is to stop you?! good luck!
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That’s awesome that you were able to attempt so many crosses! Sad to hear that none of them took, but I guess there’s always the possibility that it could happen. Lol, everyone hating on the grocery store phals. I always figured that they must be vigorous growers to be selected for mass production, so I always thought that even without a name, they’d still have a lot to offer. I basically want more of those mini grocery store phals, but even smaller, and more cool tolerant.
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06-05-2023, 01:22 AM
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That’s awesome that you were able to attempt so many crosses! Sad to hear that none of them took, but I guess there’s always the possibility that it could happen. Lol, everyone hating on the grocery store phals. I always figured that they must be vigorous growers to be selected for mass production, so I always thought that even without a name, they’d still have a lot to offer. I basically want more of those mini grocery store phals, but even smaller, and more cool tolerant.
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howdy! well, i don't want to hijack this thread, but i don't think too many growers hate on the grocery phals (or other orchids). i feel it is the industry that guides those protocols. we will be posting a video in the near future with some thoughts on this exact thing (trying to breed orchids, and some of the challenges dealing with the establishment). but here at the ob the attitude is generally positive towards noids i feel!
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06-11-2023, 09:18 PM
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06-12-2023, 01:09 AM
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meh, if it were us we wouldn't mess around with any pollen from those japonicas. they look a bit past, but might be able to get some good pollen for storage. as far as breeding, it is generally best practice to avoid breeding grocery NOIDS. if it is solely for you and maybe some of your friends, then why not? but if you are making hybrids you should know the exact parentage. and it is expensive to make flasks, so probly not worth it unless the parents are good stud plants.
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