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for sure, and i wasn't too optimistic about the attempts, especially as more and more failed. and clearly the japonica is morphologically different than the standard species phals. just by looking at the strange coloration of japonica flowers you can tell there are some different genetics going on there! but that's what made me want to try, hehehe

oh well...nothing ventured, nothing gained! but yeah, probably japonica is not going to be on our breeding list anymore unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by tmoney (Post 1004242)

of course we r total amateur breeders, but last summer there were about 15 or so attempts made with various standard phals (mostly species) and japonica (standard form) and we had no pollination occur. i know that is a small sample size, but decided it wasn't worth trying anymore!

but then everyone said you couldn't breed with phal mini mark because it is 3N (possibly), yet after years of trying the breeders at Lucke got one to work which they have for sale on their site. soooo, i guess if at first you don't succeed, try try again!

also, yeah, personally i would not breed with grocery phals cause the chances of others wanting the plants beside you is much lower. but if is just for your own curiosity, who is to stop you?! good luck!

That’s awesome that you were able to attempt so many crosses! Sad to hear that none of them took, but I guess there’s always the possibility that it could happen. Lol, everyone hating on the grocery store phals. I always figured that they must be vigorous growers to be selected for mass production, so I always thought that even without a name, they’d still have a lot to offer. I basically want more of those mini grocery store phals, but even smaller, and more cool tolerant.

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Originally Posted by seaj (Post 1004355)

howdy! well, i don't want to hijack this thread, but i don't think too many growers hate on the grocery phals (or other orchids). i feel it is the industry that guides those protocols. we will be posting a video in the near future with some thoughts on this exact thing (trying to breed orchids, and some of the challenges dealing with the establishment). but here at the ob the attitude is generally positive towards noids i feel!

I found these on eBay last week, and they were being sold as in bloom, but arrived with the flowers already past their prime. Not sure if the pollen is still viable, but I have some phals in bloom that I could try making crosses with. I also came across an article about some crosses made with these plants to other phals, but wasn’t able to read the whole thing. But the summary did mention some success, but it was very limited. They did get 500+ seedlings from 12 crosses though! I’d love to hear about any other mentions of phal crosses! This Minmaru is even cuter in person, and I’d love to see more crosses made with it, or to find out more about any other hybrids.

Just a moment...

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Here’s an experimental moss pole I made for some cheap phalaenopsis from Grocery Outlet. I thought they’d like being planted in this orientation, and I’m hoping for a nice display if I can’t get them all to bloom again in spring, with all the flowers facing the same direction.

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meh, if it were us we wouldn't mess around with any pollen from those japonicas. they look a bit past, but might be able to get some good pollen for storage. as far as breeding, it is generally best practice to avoid breeding grocery NOIDS. if it is solely for you and maybe some of your friends, then why not? but if you are making hybrids you should know the exact parentage. and it is expensive to make flasks, so probly not worth it unless the parents are good stud plants.