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Old 10-31-2012, 10:02 AM
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Ray;

I'm still researching that. You're right that the reef lights run heavy on the blue end and I've seen some LEDs at 40,000'K which I think is crazy. Ideally, I'm looking for something more in the 5500'K - 10,000'K range and they have a 6500'K pendant I'm looking into. Right now I'm running a pair of 175 watt 10,000'K metal halides in an old aquarium fixture hanging in my basement that I've been pretty happy with.

Since they do a bit of customizing with their fixtures, I plan to shoot them an email and inquire what a fixture like what I mentioned above in my desired temp range with a couple of red LEDs would cost.

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Old 10-31-2012, 10:53 AM
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Ray;

I'm still researching that. You're right that the reef lights run heavy on the blue end and I've seen some LEDs at 40,000'K which I think is crazy. ...
Jim
All the more evidence that color temperatures, as they are commonly used, and especially for LEDs, are meaningless. Color temperature applies to blackbody radiators not LEDs. A blackbody radiator with a temperature of 40,000degK would have its peak radiation in the far ultraviolet - around 70 nm, an extreme hazard to all forms of life, if it were true, but no LEDs radiate anywhere near 70 nm.

LEDs are not blackbody radiators. Each type of LED radiates in a specific narrow wavelength range. Manufacturers of these fixtures should specify the specific wavelength for each type of LED in the fixture not some bogus, useless "color temperature".
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:28 AM
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This topic I talk about something, you can look at the graphics that wavelength does chlorophyll. This is expressed in the unit "nm".

Compare these graphs with providing these LED bulbs.

http://www.orchidboard.com/community...rum-chart.html

With these operating wavelengths chlorophyll.


And these are the wavelengths provided by LED bulbs that you propose.

ORPHEK ATLANTIK





It looks a great deficiency of red, between 600 and 700 nm.

Orphek DIF 100 XP


All models are too few red colored LED bulbs.

This is the configuration of my LED spotlight, especially for growing plants, prioritizing green correct visualization of plants.


This is the one of these aquarium lights.






In short do not think are suitable for the cultivation of land plants, either orchids or any other plant than an algae.

I hope it's for your help.

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Old 11-04-2012, 07:57 AM
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Each type of LED radiates in a specific narrow wavelength range. Manufacturers of these fixtures should specify the specific wavelength for each type of LED in the fixture not some bogus, useless "color temperature".
Not true, David.

Of the 64 chips in the LEDs I am carrying, only 8 are discrete wavelength types - the red ones. The other 56 are phosphor-type chips that use a blue or UV LED to excite a phosphor into emitting a wide spectrum of light, not a discrete wavelength. Same principle as a fluorescent tube. There are three different chips on the board, and if they were all discrete, the spectrophotographic plot would show three, discrete peaks.



You are correct about the common use of the corrected color temperature. it is intended to discern differences to the eye, not strictly the definition of the spectrum as color temperature was originally derived. However, in high-quality horticultural light sources (designed specifically for plants), the phosphors are combined to replicate the original more closely.
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... You are correct about the common use of the corrected color temperature. it is intended to discern differences to the eye, not strictly the definition of the spectrum as color temperature was originally derived. However, in high-quality horticultural light sources (designed specifically for plants), the phosphors are combined to replicate the original more closely.
To replicate what "original"?

High quality horticultural LED light sources use predominately blue and red LEDs (no phosphor). White LEDs, because of their lesser efficiency, are used only if necessary to assist the humans working with the plants.
Philips GreenPower Horticultural LED Grow Lights
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