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Old 12-05-2008, 07:46 AM
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ok, thanks for all of the replies.
Could anyone gove some online store lik where I can get the light, please
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:46 AM
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Maya, I think you should be able to get them at almost any DIY-store (DIY=do it yourself) in your home town!
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:23 PM
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I agree, DIY stores will have what you need. But if you really want lights good for plants, try going to a store which sells aquarium stuff, you should find lights easily, although they will be much pricier.
I have no clue where to order on line since I can find them easily in stores.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:57 PM
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I agree, DIY stores will have what you need. But if you really want lights good for plants, try going to a store which sells aquarium stuff, you should find lights easily, although they will be much pricier.
I have no clue where to order on line since I can find them easily in stores.
Camille, these lamps you can find at the aquarium stores are not necessarily better. they have been designed normally for aquarium plants, and the needs are different. Furthermore, they can be more expensive than even T5 lamps. I tried Gro-Lux in the past and was not happy with them...
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Old 12-05-2008, 01:13 PM
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Camille, these lamps you can find at the aquarium stores are not necessarily better. they have been designed normally for aquarium plants, and the needs are different. Furthermore, they can be more expensive than even T5 lamps. I tried Gro-Lux in the past and was not happy with them...
Really? I would have thought that plants were plants,T5s were T5s, and the spectrum would be the same. I thought that since the plants in my tank love the grow lights, it would work for other plants too.
Anyways I'm looking for much cheaper stuff. I think that after the holidays I'm going to get a simple 2x36W T8 light set from my local DIY to help my orchids through the winter.
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Old 12-05-2008, 02:09 PM
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no, no, the spectrum is not always the same... the lamps designed fro aquarium has different spectrum as you need to take into consideration that algae need normally get more blue than red (blue enters deeper in water than red), and water plants need more red than blue to grow. Then you do not want too much blue, in order to avoid algae growth in your aquarium (for salt water aquarium the story is different: you need more blue than red!) in this link, you can see the spectrum of one of this lamps you buy at the aquarium shop: http://www.hereinspaziert.de/images/Trocal.JPG (Trocal is similar to grow lux) and also the spectrum used by algae (Algen-Spektralkurve) and the other plants in the aquarium (Aquarienpflanzen)

If you combine 6500K and 3000K (3:1 or 4:1) you can obtain a very good balance of light temp for your plants. If you were using only one single tube, I would say, go to the hydroponic shop and buy a very special tube with the correct light spectrum. However, this lamp will be more expensive, and will not provide enough light for your plants!

So, my recommendation: at least 3 tubes (proportion 2:1 (6500/3000K) - not 3:1 as optimal, but trust me, it worked for me for more than one year without problem!




Another interesting graphic is this one Einfluß der Schalthäufigkeit auf die Lebensdauer von Leuchtstofflampen there you can see that normal T5 lamps (and tri-band T8), after 200000 hours still produce 90% of the light intensity as when new. This has an impact on when you should change your lamps:

you use your lamps at 12/12 photoperiod. This means that your lamps are working 4380 h per year, which would mean that after 4 years your lamps still are 90% efficient... if you give a range of error and some wastage (turning on and off)... I would say, you could change your lamps after 3 years, and not after 1 year as normally recommeded in the package (hhhmmm.. not sure if you have this recommendation everywhere, but at least I have seen in Switzerland )
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Old 12-05-2008, 02:43 PM
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Ramon,

Your knowledge about light is much appreciated !!!
From your last message, do you know if T5 called "High Output" are included in the study (the 90% intensity after 20 000 hours you are talking about). Are they any different from what you call normal T5 ?
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Old 12-05-2008, 02:48 PM
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what I call "normal" T5 is just the kind of tubes you normally can buy at the building supplies store.

You will find HE (High Efficiency) and HO (High Output) lamps. The main difference is the amount of light they produce. I would always go for HO....
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Old 12-05-2008, 03:09 PM
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HO is what I have (sunblaster). In theory, they have a 10 000 hours life span, but I just don't know what happens after...
Thanks for your answer anyway.
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Old 12-05-2008, 03:13 PM
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oh, sorry... yes, HO is the ones in the graphic I posted before....
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