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Old 09-28-2008, 02:24 PM
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I have a 75 gallon aquarium as my orchid home for my catts, mini catts, bulbo, and misc. Plants are growing but never bloom. I'm pretty confident my watering/humidity is ok..so I'm looking at my lighting. This subject has always made my head spin but it's time to tackle it. The height of the tank plus canopy is about 18-20". Right now I have 8-fluorescent bulbs 'for plants'. The plants are about 6-9" from the lights.

I don't have a light meter....are the lights anywhere near where they should be?

Should I switch to T5's? And will they fit into my existing general fluorescent light fixtures?

How close should they be (I prefer inches, but if need be i'll get a light meter to understand the whole lumen/foot candle stuff)?

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Old 09-28-2008, 02:28 PM
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HO T5s will put out approx 5000 lumens per 48" tube. My bank of 4 x 48" tubes measures approx 1800 FCs at 8-9" from bulb. This is still not enough for Cats, etc. but some Bulbos should do OK. T8s probably are to dim. By all means get a good light meter to tell for sure.
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Old 09-28-2008, 06:12 PM
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Granted, the Foot Candle measurements are only 1800, but doesn't this level of light over a 14 plus hour day make up for the high level of light for less periods of time in "nature"?
I have had no problems growing and blooming Catts and Zygos under T5's
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Old 09-28-2008, 06:24 PM
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Under t5s, yes. But question was about t8s. I still am not convinced t5s alone are strong enough. I personally use them (well, lots of them ) but I also have my "high light species" in a south window with t5 lights as supplemental lights, not primary. I recently installed an 8 tube fixture and measure 3600 foot candles. Now that's pretty strong!
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Old 09-28-2008, 06:34 PM
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Yes, the question was on T8's. So -
Specifically, the T8 bulbs will not fit into the T5 fixtures and vice versa.
I have been using banks of 4 foot 8 bulb T5's and am amazed at my light meter readings, even a foot below the bulbs. I have to be careful not to burn the catt's leaves!!
I KNOW that I can grow and bloom catts just with the T5's (4 foot, 8 bulb banks). I would doubt that can be done with just T8's unless one is very close to the bulbs, which is too far away given the set up described by RandiRae
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Old 09-28-2008, 06:38 PM
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Yes, the question was on T8's. So -
Specifically, the T8 bulbs will not fit into the T5 fixtures and vice versa.
I have been using banks of 4 foot 8 bulb T5's and am amazed at my light meter readings, even a foot below the bulbs. I have to be careful not to burn the catt's leaves!!
I KNOW that I can grow and bloom catts just with the T5's (4 foot, 8 bulb banks). I would doubt that can be done with just T8's unless one is very close to the bulbs, which is too far away given the set up described by RandiRae
Right on! I measured 3600 foot candles at 11" from my fixture (8 tube) so I agree with you. I think the 8 tube fixtures are best for high light species like Cats.
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:13 AM
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Hmm.. still confused - are the plant flourescents at the hardware store (gro-lux) considered T8? If I understand correctly, what i'm doing now is sustaining the orchids but not really doing much for good growth/blooms.

So if HO T5's don't fit into conventional flourescent fixtures - any recommendations on where to look? Another thing to note, my aquarium is no where near natural light and receive no supplemental light.

What is the foot candle/lumen 'goal' for my catt's...and at what distance should they be from the bulbs?

Your patience is appreciated!
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:41 AM
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OK.
First, there are three different types of fixtures out there. The bulbs are all different and are not interchangeable between fixtures. The most "common" is the "Standard" bulb that you can find in any workshop fixture at Home Depot of Loews. These are available in "Growlight" spectrums too, but they have the least light output as measured in Foot-Candles.
The next are the T8's. These have better output over the standard bulbs, but are no where near the output of the T-5's.
The T-5's have the greatest output (again measured in Foot-Candles) of any flourescent bulb currently available on the market. They are very slender bulbs as compared to the standard or T-8's which is said to be one of the reasons they are so efficient at producing stronger light.
One can typically get the Standard and even the T-8's at places like HD, Walmart and Loews, but they typically don't carry the T-5's.
One place to look is cPanelŽ. I have gotten several fixtures there and they ship rapidly and securely. They have good prices and DO include the bulbs with the cost of the fixtures which others may not. They are NOT cheap, however, so be prepared to spend over $500 for an 8 bulb, 4 foot fixture.
The "goal" of Foot-Candle (FC) lighting is really dependent on the particular plant, even within the species. Some can grow and bloom in less light than others. In "nature", Catts are said to get over 2000 FC's of light, tolerating 3000 to 4000 if the light is not direct. This is where the interpretation of light comes into play. The crux of the argument is that light via artificial means is CONSTANT and natural light is not. Therefore, if plants are supplied constant light at even 1500, 2000 or more FC for a 14 hour day, they may actually - at the end of the day - have more light received than if they were in "nature".
The other issue is that of heat on the plant's leaves. That is why direct sunlight can burn a plant so easily. The flourescent lights produce less heat (read "less" not "none") and can be placed closer to the plants to achieve the desired FC level, provided that air circulation is still maintained.
I typically have my light meter out and measure the FC ratings at the top leaves and at the bottom leaves of the plants and adjust the lights to achieve a balance - typically about 2000 FC.
Then I watch the leaves - they will typically tell you what they want. If they lighten to a light green, they are happy with the light that they are getting. If they are still very dark green, they are asking for more light. If they start looking sunburned (which I managed to do beginning the T5 experience), then they are getting too much light.
I have found that the light readings are dependent upon the size of the fixture that I am using: that is, more light is generated at the center of a 4 foot 8 bulb fixture than at the center of a 4 foot 2 bulb or 2 foot 8 bulb fixture.
Air movement is important the closer you get the plants to the light source as the heat increases the closer one gets to the light.
Now, you could also consider changing to MH lights, but that is another topic in itself!!
Hope that his helps you.
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Old 11-08-2008, 04:12 PM
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You have helped tremendously! Thank you for thoroughly explaining the differences between the lights. I am looking at different t5 light banks. The only concern I have now is that I can't change the height of my enclosure (~18-20"). I'm hoping the t5's won't put off too much heat or light for my plants. Again, most of my plants are catt hybrids with a mini dendrobium here and a bulbo there. Any last recommendations or advice before I foot the expensive light bill???
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Old 11-08-2008, 05:48 PM
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You have helped tremendously! Thank you for thoroughly explaining the differences between the lights. I am looking at different t5 light banks. The only concern I have now is that I can't change the height of my enclosure (~18-20"). I'm hoping the t5's won't put off too much heat or light for my plants. Again, most of my plants are catt hybrids with a mini dendrobium here and a bulbo there. Any last recommendations or advice before I foot the expensive light bill???
I really doubt that any t5 bank will overpower any orchids you have. You can simply change the light duration. Instead of, say, 12 hours, go for 10 hours. t5, high output (HO) bulbs are, by far, the best alternative to date. There are some LED light solutions being explored, but they aren't quite ready for "prime time". If LED ever gets its act together, it will swamp the t5 light arena, based on temperature alone. But that's a ways off, methinks.
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