Orchids mounted on bone question

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by voyager

While you were making your last post I was still editing my last post.

I make no claim as to be all knowing about the legality of possessing whale parts in the here and now.
Nor am I guilty of the advocacy of such things.
All I know is what I've seen as in my edit on my last post.
My original comment was inspired by memories originating in the 1950's or '60's, and was posted with the thought of the ridiculousness of such an item being used as an orchid mount.
As I said, the legality was not a consideration at the time.

Even so, My observation about natives hawking whale parts on street corners and walrus skulls and tusks still stands.
I have witnessed whale hunts from villages on the North Slope [Wainwright and Barrow] and the subsequent butchering on the beach, as a spectator not a participant. I am not native.

I've even watched the "Rainbow Warrior" come in after the hunt to give their views to the villagers.

EDIT:
https://alaskafisheries.noaa.gov/pr/...ammal-products

"... Alaska Natives are exempted under the MMPA and ESA, and may possess such items and convert them to handicraft. Non-Natives may retain these parts provided they do not have remaining “soft” tissues attached and that they are not from a threatened or endangered species. ..."

I believe the notation of the bones being well weathered would meet the no remaining soft tissue requirement.
Plus, from the remainder of that paragraph, I interpret it that unless they can come up with a good reason to not allow possession, they have to give the permit.

I have a friend very well versed in the matter who collects bones, and from numerous discussions I'm confident in my understanding of how the law is interpreted.Allow me to put your experiences into perspective. I was once rear ended by a drunk driver while stopped at a red light. One of the investigating officers noticed an unsmoked half of a joint in my ashtray. He made a comment, but then went about his business and nothing came of it. However I didn't for a second think that it meant what I did was legal.

[voyager]

Well, Subrosa you are allowed to believe whatever you believe.
You seem to have something at stake here.
So be it.
I have nothing to be gained by a repetitive recycling of assertions being made between us and refuse to continue on with it.

As a once very wise person said:
"Be who you are and say what you think. Those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter."
Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by voyager

Well, Subrosa you are allowed to believe whatever you believe.
You seem to have something at stake here.
So be it.
I have nothing to be gained by a repetitive recycling of assertions being made between us and refuse to continue on with it.

As a once very wise person said:
"Be who you are and say what you think. Those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter."
Enjoy the rest of your day.

I have a zero tolerance policy on the dissemination of incorrect information in my presence. Your mistake seem to be a difficulty distinguishing lucky from legal. I led you to the water, for which you are most welcome.

[voyager]

Busted With Whale Bones In Luggage - The Reykjavik Grapevine

[Subrosa]

https://alaskafisheries.noaa.gov/pr/...ammal-products


Personally I trust an agency tasked with enforcing laws more than a newspaper reporter when it comes to understanding how to follow the laws in question. Read carefully and you will see that, as I stated, a permit is required to possess whale bones.

[voyager]

Thanks Subrosa for reinforcing my argument with the same reference I used in a previous post.
I knew you'd come around when you saw more than just hearsay from a friend.

No more time for fun and games.
Gotta run into town to pick up some things needed to complete a woodworking project.
Enjoy your day.

[Orchid Whisperer]

Originally Posted by Triffid

An interesting proposition. I would guess you would be advised to go for Orchids that enjoy calcium in their diet and also to make sure the bones are clean of any potential rotting/decaying matter.

Never tried it myself, but giving this post a little boost as I am curious as to how this would work out.

Could you perhaps also post a link to the original inspiration for this question.

And also I have to ask, have you tried it yourself yet?

Bone likely provides phosphorus too, as it is composed of calcium and phosphate compounds, the major one being hydroxyapatite: (Ca10(PO4)6(OH)2

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by voyager

Thanks Subrosa for reinforcing my argument with the same reference I used in a previous post.
I knew you'd come around when you saw more than just hearsay from a friend.

No more time for fun and games.
Gotta run into town to pick up some things needed to complete a woodworking project.
Enjoy your day.

You should read it again. This time don't skip the part about registering the bones with NOAA so they can issue a certificate allowing you to keep the bones. I don't expect you to admit you were wrong......

[Triffid]

Originally Posted by Orchid Whisperer

Bone likely provides phosphorus too, as it is composed of calcium and phosphate compounds, the major one being hydroxyapatite: (Ca10(PO4)6(OH)2

That's good to know and to take into consideration.

As for Laws.
They will vary from nation to nation, animal to animal, so just wise to double check with your nations rules and regulations - as well as international laws regarding "At Risk" species.
Though I would imagine (for the most part) bones from "Domesticated" Animals should be fine, so long as how they were obtained does not break any other law such as theft, unlawful slaughter, risk to health etc.
Just my

Did find these two links, for those considering purchasing bones.

USA: Complete Animal Skeletons for Sale - The Bone Room - The Bone Room

UK: HOME - Skeletons UK

[Ray]

I don't care what the legal status; mounting orchids on dead animal parts is morbid.