Dendrobium Dream Ace in bud

[RosieC]

Love it!

[kindrag23]

WOW! What a win! That is awesome! Congrats on all of the blooms.

[flexdc]

This is very nice! A nobile type x unicum hybrid?
I must get myself one!

[NYCorchidman]

It came with a tag that says the name of this hybrid but no information regarding its parents.
I could not find any information on this, so I guess it is not a registered hybrid.

I might have unicum in it, but I doubt it? I thought unicum influence is shown by skinny and narrow petals and that slight netting in the inner center of the lip, none of which are present in this hybrid.

So far, it has been an easy grower.
I have already given away some keikis last year.
It still has one keiki attached on one of the canes.

[kentaki]

I am writing an article on mislabeled plants, and this is one of them. You can Google RHS website, but this grex is supposed to be yellow. This grex has also produced other famous yellow greges such as Den. Golden Blossom and Den. Yellow Ribbon. There are also two small pictures on Yamamoto Dendrobiums' Webpage (????????????????).

Mr. Hayashi of Yamamoto Dendrobiums also confirmed that it was very unlikely Den. Dream because it is supposed to be tetraploid and have bigger flowers. The plant in question is likely diploid and have small flowers. Mr. Hayashi thinks it may be Den. Hamana Lake. It has a strong resemblance to Den. Hamana Lake 'Dream.'

I talked to a person who I bought from and he told me that that was the name on the label.

[NYCorchidman]

The name of this plant is actually rather mystery to me as well because I could not find any dendrobium registered under such name.
I have also seen photos of Hamana Lake 'Dream' which looks pretty much the same as this one and wondered about that. So, who knows? but I wonder where the Ace part came from.
So, two possibilies here, unregistered hybrid or mislabeled hybrid, and possibly Hamana Lake 'Dream'.

But apparently, the name Dendrobium Dream 'Ace' is wellknown or at leaset Yamamoto Dendrobium is aware of this hybrid whether it be a correct name or not.
I also talked with them, and I was told it is not their cross, and they never used it because the flower life span is too short for what they want to achieve in their breeding programs, plus the small flower size.

Now, I think there are some confusions on your part, which I'd like to point out in the following.

Dendrobium Golden Blossom and D. Yellow Ribbon are of different grex.
On the link you provided, there are no pictures of D. Yellow Ribbon but it is mentioned as one of the parents of D. Green Surprise.
D. Golden Blossom is mentioned at least twice, once as a parent used for a hybrid D. Pittero Gold, and once more a particular "clone" "Sunset" AM/AOS.

Now, since you are giving a talk to a group of people it sounds like or writing up an article, I am rather worried because from what you wrote, I see that you have the meaning of grex confused.

Grex cannot produce grex, for example, but it can have particular clones with distinguishing features that set them apart from other clones within that same grex.

You described as if Golden Blossom and Yellow Ribbon are two different clones within the same cross (grex), but they are not. They are totally different two crosses, hybrids, grex that are the results from using different sets of parents.

D. Golden Blossom 'Sunset' AM/AOS is a particular clone within the grex of Golden Blossom which has been awared an AM by AOS.

I hope this is clear otherwise you will produce an article with confusing information that people will either complain about it or help you correct, or those who are beginners, might be totally mislead. Neither case is very good. lol

[kentaki]

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

The name of this plant is actually rather mystery to me as well because I could not find any dendrobium registered under such name.

Try the RHS website.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

Dendrobium Golden Blossom and D. Yellow Ribbon are of different grex.

I am very sure of this. These are hybrids of Den. Dream. This is what I wrote: This grex has also produced other famous yellow GREGES such as Den. Golden Blossom and Den. Yellow Ribbon.

Also this is from their site:
Den.Golden Blossom 'Sunset' AM/AOS
(Den.Golden Eagle x Den.Dream)
1977 年にアメリカ蘭協会(AOS)の品評会にて入賞。この交配からは'Kogane'AM/AOS,'Venus'HCC/AOSなど優良花が多数開花しました。

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

more a particular "clone" "Sunset" AM/AOS.

Since you would give me a lecture about "grex" (see below), I think I too can point out something. It is 'Sunset' AM/AOS, NOT "Sunset" AM/AOS. Even some seasoned orchid growers do not know, but the double quotation mark is not used for a clonal name. It is always a singular quotation mark. It is wrong.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

I see that you have the meaning of grex confused.

Actually, that is you that is confused to think that I was confused.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

You described as if Golden Blossom and Yellow Ribbon are two different clones within the same cross (grex), but they are not.

Where did I write this??? This is what I wrote:
This grex has also produced other famous yellow GREGES such as Den. Golden Blossom and Den. Yellow Ribbon.

Where did I treat them as clones??? And if I think these are clones, how does it explain that I can do a linage search on International Orchid Register site? Are you stating somebody who can find parents of a given hybrid or grex may still think the "two different clones within the same cross"?

Please do not tell me you did not know the word, greges, BTW.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

They are totally different two crosses, hybrids, grex that are the results from using different sets of parents.

Oh, you do not have to tell me. See above.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

I hope this is clear otherwise you will produce an article with confusing information that people will either complain about it or help you correct, or those who are beginners, might be totally mislead. Neither case is very good. lol

Yes, I guess I should have done so for those who may be a beginner or not have an ability to understand otherwise. I forgot that I was once a beginner like over 30 years ago. BTW, This is advice from somebody who does not know or did not even bother with International Orchid Register and/or possibly the meaning of greges

[NYCorchidman]

I did look up Dendrobium Dream on RHS website the day I got this plant. I don't think I saw any pictures.
but the parents used are pink and yellow I believe. So the outcome can be pink or yellow or anything in between, I guess.

And as I said, Yamamoto Dendrobium told me it is not their hybrid, but Dendrobium Dream search results on RHS says Yamamoto as both the originator and the registrant.

So I don't know what makes you think this is it?
Maybe it is, maybe not, but I don't know for sure.

For the particular cross of Den. Golden Blossom ( Golden Eagle x Dream), it doesn't have to be that both parents have to be yellow in order for their progeny be also yellow. I'm sure you know. Dream has Fiona or something which when I googled, was a pink with dark eye. Maybe there is a yellow variety as well. I don't know.

Regarding quotation marks, it's a mistake. You probably noticed that I used the same name further down in the text with a single quotation mark.

Last, I don't think I sounded rude in my last post, so I don't understand why you are showing such unpleasant attitude online and threaten this friendly forum atmosphere?

I hope you please drop this insulting and demeaning attitude.

You can make a point and say what you want without being this way.

If you will continue writing in this manner, please do not bother commenting here. I don't want that and no one wants that. Enough negativity in the world. Let's keep it nice and friendly.

[kentaki]

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

I did look up Dendrobium Dream on RHS website the day I got this plant. I don't think I saw any pictures.
but the parents used are pink and yellow I believe. So the outcome can be pink or yellow or anything in between, I guess.

You are making lots of assumptions. I think you need at least try to find it by yourself than "guessing." Both Den. Fiona and Den. Ijuin are yellow. The color of the latter is mentioned on Yamamoto Dendrobiums' Webpage. Den. Fiona is Den. Montrose x Thwaitesiae, and Montrose is Ainsworthii x Thwaitesiae. Den. Ainsworthii can be pink (see Warner's Orchid Album), but Den. Thwaitesiae is a very famous yellow grex. I do not expect you to have a basic knowledge in Dendrobium nobile type breeding, but it is very clear that you did not search this.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

So I don't know what makes you think this is it?
Maybe it is, maybe not, but I don't know for sure.

I have already written what I found and think. I am not going to re-state what I have already written.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

Dream has Fiona or something which when I googled, was a pink with dark eye. Maybe there is a yellow variety as well. I don't know.

Could you provide me the link? I did find ones you may be referring to, but it is of Dendrobium 'fiona X Ceylon Glory'. If that is the case, it is not Den. Fiona.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

Last, I don't think I sounded rude in my last post, so I don't understand why you are showing such unpleasant attitude online and threaten this friendly forum atmosphere?

Again, you are making an assumption. I do, however, admit that I was bothered by your holier-than-thou, more correctly, know-better-than-thou attitude. You stated that you wanted to "point out" when in fact you were the one who was confused and misunderstood. And you kept giving a lecture on "grex" with an assumption that I did not understand what it was but in fact you might be the one who "misunderstood" or "misinterpreted" what I wrote. I apologize if I might have come on a little too strong in response to your repeated wrong assumptions. But it does seem to me that you are the one who does not want to admit to be the instigator. It all started with your either misunderstanding or misinterpretation of my post.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

I hope you please drop this insulting and demeaning attitude.

I only ask you to do the same. There have been a lot of assumptions. First, you thought I was confused and did not know what greges are. Then you are accusing that I am insulting and have an demeaning attitude. I am only trying to correct your wrong assumptions. I hope you understand that. I think what you did is insulting and demeaning to me on two counts, but that is ok.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

You can make a point and say what you want without being this way.

Apparently, you did not understand the content of my very first message. I am sorry that you were not able to do so, but that is why I had to "Point Out" and correct wrong assumptions.

Originally Posted by NYCorchidman

If you will continue writing in this manner, please do not bother commenting here. I don't want that and no one wants that. Enough negativity in the world. Let's keep it nice and friendly.

I think you should really read and understand what yourself have written. And please do not tell me what to do. There are already too many people do that in the world. I guess that is one of the major things that bothered me, and apparently you do not seem to understand that.

[NYCorchidman]

I am not surprised.
I have dealt with people like you before, and learned that it is best to just leave it.

Tired of this stupid wrestling.

Say what you want.

Bye~