Vappodes lithocola

[ronaldhanko]

Beautifully grown and flowered and as to the name, who cares what you call it when it's this lovely.

[Bud]

Thank You, Ron! ...I try to follow rules of naming orchids, spellings and capitalizations...and as much as possible I want to be faithful to tags...but it is hard when theres several factions that I have to deal with...so I follow my instincts.

[Tsuchibuta]

Originally Posted by Bud

..I would beleive that government.
Thats why I used the name they chose.
..Id still beleive in a legitimacy of a government than merely an organization or a club.

I would much rather trust a scientist than a politician that gets paid to lie. Just sayin..

[Merlyn]

It is my understanding that the RHS is the backbone of orchid record keeping going back to before writing was invented !!! It's acknowledged by everyone involved in orchids except maybe a rogue vendor or a country with a difference of opinion. It's the data base for the majority of the orchid world and if it's not listed there, it hasn't been registered or accepted by the majority of the orchid world.

[Bud]

Good to know Chryss...but as a new orchid grower; I never heard of RHS until I joined this forum...but I have heard of the continent of Australia as a child...I wouldnt beleive what the KEW, AOS or RHS would say ...if the Australian government says so..I'd beleive them...most of the world knows Australia...whereas only a few orchid growers knbow of RHS and they want your money at that for memberships and infos...the Australian government gives me infos for free...they dont want money from me.

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KEW, RHS or AOS have a bad rep with me already with a lot of what I read about their mistakes, unnecesary changes and corruptions...

its an organized bussiness/ club organization or society...just like the roman catholic church or the MAFIA its not the bible /encyclopedia brittanica of orchids as far as I know...so as of now I would rather trust google even if they get some of their infos from the organized clubs...but all that will change as time goes on...these societies are outdated...they have to update/upgrade and evolve...

[Baz in Oz]

Bud, don't go picking on my mate Chryss. Chryss solved my problems with Grammophyllums and therefore is OK!

Baz

[glengary54]

"I wouldnt beleive what the KEW, AOS or RHS would say"

Bud - You seem to be confused by a few things here. The RHS, Royal Horticultural Society is not just some rogue, fly by night entity. They are the arbiter of all things orchids and are an agency of the British government who have been keeping records of all orchid species and man made hybrids. If you don't believe in them, I suggest that you throw out all of your plant labels and simply call all of your plants just orchids. If you want to believe that the internet is the best source of information about orchids then do so but just know that any Tom, Dick or Harry can post whatever they want whether right or wrong on the net and it will come up in a Google search where you who admittedly knows very little about orchids will blindly accept it as the gospel. You mention "factions" on this board that you have to deal with, all I have found are people who are trying to help educate you, myself included. Your rants and ill informed diatribes are a disservice to this board and the people who come here seeking true help and information. Please remember that everything you post on here is available to evryone else on the net, when you are wrong, that wrong information doesn't just go away. One further thing, as to you believing a Government over a Society or Group, Australia is a British Colony and the Queen is still the ruling Monarch and the Monarchy is responsible for starting the Royal Horticultural Society, so I guess you will have to take their word as the final word on orchids according to your reasoning.

[Tsuchibuta]

Bud so using your logic, if Kim Jung-un declares the Bletilla striata that grows naturally in North Korea to be renamed something entirely different are you going to change plant tags to reflect that?

Plants get their names not from government or from societies. They get their names from the botanist that discovered and first described that plant in a scholarly journal. RHS which runs Kew gardens just happens to run the oldest and largest collection of botanical specimens in the world. Also they happen to publish some of the oldest scholarly journals as well.
Ideally a name of a plant is only changed when another botanist determines that the previous botanist improperly labeled the plant. DNA has lead to many of the recent name changes because no longer is plant morphology the only determining factor of what species a plant belongs to.

That being said the scientific community as a whole is responsible for the nomenclature used, it has no bearing what so ever on Government standing or belief. There is no law (in the free world) that states exactly what the plant names have to be, so you are more than welcome to call your plant anything you want. However if you want somebody in another country to know what plant you are talking about it only seems reasonable to call that plant by the name everybody else uses.

[Bud]

Baz...I have no bone to pick with Chryss...he is also my 'mate"...its just a matter of calling my plant Vappodes than biggibum...thats all

Thanks for the enlightening explanation Glen...but I know someday RHS, AOS and the likes will be obsolete...one better and brilliant entity will organize, classify and name plants...for the meantime; I beleive you...these organizations have the monopoly to name and classify plants...but I am hoping and waiting for a better and efficient way of archiving...

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When I first started to collect orchids, I threw away tags...it wasnt important to me...It was an eyesore. It was when I joined the forum that I keep the tags because the names are important to others here...I think I will just start on throwing them away again because I get so much in trouble with posting my blooms with controvercial names that come with them...I will just call all of them NOIDS..its safer I guess LOL

[gnathaniel]

Originally Posted by Bud

Thanks for the enlightening explanation Glen...but I know someday RHS, AOS and the likes will be obsolete...one better and brilliant entity will organize, classify and name plants...for the meantime; I beleive you...these organizations have the monopoly to name and classify plants...but I am hoping and waiting for a better and efficient way of archiving...

DO you "know" that, Bud? And how exactly will whatever replaces the RHS be "better and efficient"? Odd to be so certain of the degeneracy and impending demise of an organization you admittedly didn't even know existed until very recently...

Originally Posted by Bud

When I first started to collect orchids, I threw away tags...it wasnt important to me...It was an eyesore. It was when I joined the forum that I keep the tags because the names are important to others here...I think I will just start on throwing them away again because I get so much in trouble with posting my blooms with controvercial names that come with them...I will just call all of them NOIDS..its safer I guess LOL

Do as you please with your tags, you always seem to anyway. I will tell you that I've never seen you "get so much in trouble" for using incorrect names, only for the bizarre attitude you put on when others helpfully point one out. It's okay to be wrong sometimes, Bud, it happens to all of us.

--Nat