Paphiopedilum ID help needed.

[Orchid Whisperer]

With the number of species orchids in cultivation, seed-grown or as divisions, wild harvesting rare plants is unnecessary wrong. It does force plants closer to extinction. I agree, the seeds or plants that start cultivated populations must originate I'm the wild, but once those few specimens form the "stock" for cultivation, further wild collection (poaching) is not needed and is wrong. If you want a species, work harder to find a nursery-raised source.

Wild harvesting of rare plants and animals forces them toward extinction. Look at the damage done to wild populations of tiger, rhinoceros, elephants, and many others because of poaching to support foolish desires for the skins, horns, tusks and other body parts of these animals.

[hyun007]

Originally Posted by Orchid Whisperer

With the number of species orchids in cultivation, seed-grown or as divisions, wild harvesting rare plants is unnecessary wrong. It does force plants closer to extinction. I agree, the seeds or plants that start cultivated populations must originate I'm the wild, but once those few specimens form the "stock" for cultivation, further wild collection (poaching) is not needed and is wrong. If you want a species, work harder to find a nursery-raised source.

Wild harvesting of rare plants and animals forces them toward extinction. Look at the damage done to wild populations of tiger, rhinoceros, elephants, and many others because of poaching to support foolish desires for the skins, horns, tusks and other body parts of these animals.

You cannot compare them to animal because, you can cut a division of a plant and they will still be alive and still be able to reproduce. Some plants actually grow better when you cut a division of it. You cut an animal, it will died and animals reproduction rate is too slow to compare against.

At the moment it is not feasible for nursery here to reproduce most of the wild form that are found in the Golden Triangle here as the demand is too low due to competition from the wild and they prefer to do hybrid which is more stable and easier to take care.

Yes, I did bought plants from the wild but at the end of the day, the offspring will be given to people who will not need to buy more of the wild collector one. It is not a totally selfish one sided-side. My point of view may not be accepted by some or even many but then we are all not the same, or else USA will not have to choose between Republican or Democratic.

[Orchid Whisperer]

Originally Posted by hyun007

You cannot compare them to animal because, you can cut a division of a plant and they will still be alive and still be able to reproduce. Some plants actually grow better when you cut a division of it. You cut an animal, it will died and animals reproduction rate is too slow to compare against.

Wild orchid reproduction is extremely slow. The poachers that make a living off of these rare plants are rarely satisfied with taking a small division. Natural reproduction can't keep pace with poaching.

Originally Posted by hyun007

At the moment it is not feasible for nursery here to reproduce most of the wild form that are found in the Golden Triangle here as the demand is too low due to competition from the wild and they prefer to do hybrid which is more stable and easier to take care.

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Originally Posted by hyun007

My point of view may not be accepted by some or even many but then we are all not the same, or else USA will not have to choose between Republican or Democratic.

I'm not sure politics in the USA have any bearing on poaching plants from the wild.

[hyun007]

Originally Posted by Orchid Whisperer

Wild orchid reproduction is extremely slow. The poachers that make a living off of these rare plants are rarely satisfied with taking a small division. Natural reproduction can't keep pace with poaching.



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I'm not sure politics in the USA have any bearing on poaching plants from the wild.

There will always be good and bad poachers. Same as good and bad people.

You just show me an article of how to propogate plant, of course it is possible to propogate. Problem is the majority here are not as patience as some of you guys here. They just want a couple of grown plants and not a whole bottle of babies. I will happily buy a couple of baby propogate plants but definitely not a whole bottle when I can find them. Majority of the propograte orchids in Thailand are not natural paphiopedilum, mostly hybrid of the common bachy. Most of the nursery here tend to do Vanda, dendrobium, cattelya and Phal orchids rather than paphiopedilum.

As for politics, I already said different people have different point of views, whether we are talking about politics, animals or plants, we will all never have the same point of views.

Yes, I did got a few plants here and there but at the end of the days, the future generations will be used to help some people from buying the wild one. Well, if every collector think like me, maybe we can all actually reduce the demand for poaching paphiopedilum since we are all giving away free paphiopedilum. Sadly, not everybody will do this way though.

[dounoharm]

.....hyun, I am sorry that it is hard to collect some plants. for me, it is hard to collect also....I can no longer collect our wild pink cyps. they are all gone, because some people didn't care. they collected TILL THERE WAS NO MORE TO COLLECT! that is what extinction means. they are gone. the only ones available are thru people who grow them from seed...you must learn to avoid some sellers. period.

I was fortunate to learn at an early age the beauty of orchids in the wild, all blooming in their natural setting.....but they are gone now. GONE. FOREVER. no one will ever see that again here in America.

soon your native species in Thailand will be gone. you will only be able to tell your children what you once saw. help protect them hyun. save your native orchids. only buy from legal sorces. not all americans are rich either. I can only collect the legal cheap ones too....but that's the joy! ALL ORCHIDS ARE BEAUTIFUL!

protect your natural resources!

[hyun007]

Originally Posted by dounoharm

.....hyun, I am sorry that it is hard to collect some plants. for me, it is hard to collect also....I can no longer collect our wild pink cyps. they are all gone, because some people didn't care. they collected TILL THERE WAS NO MORE TO COLLECT! that is what extinction means. they are gone. the only ones available are thru people who grow them from seed...you must learn to avoid some sellers. period.

I was fortunate to learn at an early age the beauty of orchids in the wild, all blooming in their natural setting.....but they are gone now. GONE. FOREVER. no one will ever see that again here in America.

soon your native species in Thailand will be gone. you will only be able to tell your children what you once saw. help protect them hyun. save your native orchids. only buy from legal sorces. not all americans are rich either. I can only collect the legal cheap ones too....but that's the joy! ALL ORCHIDS ARE BEAUTIFUL!

protect your natural resources!

Roger that!

I had already bookmarked the page left by Orchidwhisper.
Hope to make some paphiopedilum in the future for collector as a free gift.

As for the pink orchid, is it still possible to get the seeds? No one is trying to reintroduce them back in the wild where they once grow? In Thailand, there are some activists who bringing back plants they grow or propogate back to where they once exist. It is something that I would like to do if I have the chance.

[jkofferdahl]

Originally Posted by hyun007

There will always be good and bad poachers. Same as good and bad people. .

No, in fact you are not correct. Simply by definition there can be no such thing as a "good" poacher. Just check a dictionary! The word means to trespass and/or to steal; please tell me what is good about that?

I'm going to remain in my strong and passionate stand against poaching and wild collecting, just as I believe that it makes no difference, by discussion, whether we're discussing the poaching of animals or plants. You can argue personal or local economics as you did here, but when the future is brought in to the discussion then economics fail. To poach is to destroy in the wild. To destroy in the wild is to destroy our fragile planet. If we destroy the wild, there won't be a need for an economy. There are plenty of orchids any of us can own without doing so illegally, and it is utterly absurd to collect plants from the wild.

Wild collecting is an act now, let the next generation pay approach that is, in the end, going to lead to planetary failure.

[dounoharm]

hyun, sure there are folk that grow the pink cyp and sell it....they are plants that were collected years ago or grown from seed....but there is NO WHERE, NO WHERE where you can see vast numbers of them in the wild....like the buffalo, they are gone....there are a few hidden places that people know of a few, but nothing like I once saw as a child....like the tiger, like the elephant, like our buffalo and wild horses....they are gone. a thing of the past. but, remember, they take them out of the wild TO SELL THEM! if no one buys them, then there is not need to collect them, right? and there is enough stock already in the big conservatories to hold on to the genes....WE MUST ALL DO OUR PART TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR EARTH! its all we have, my friend.....

[hyun007]

Originally Posted by dounoharm

hyun, sure there are folk that grow the pink cyp and sell it....they are plants that were collected years ago or grown from seed....but there is NO WHERE, NO WHERE where you can see vast numbers of them in the wild....like the buffalo, they are gone....there are a few hidden places that people know of a few, but nothing like I once saw as a child....like the tiger, like the elephant, like our buffalo and wild horses....they are gone. a thing of the past. but, remember, they take them out of the wild TO SELL THEM! if no one buys them, then there is not need to collect them, right? and there is enough stock already in the big conservatories to hold on to the genes....WE MUST ALL DO OUR PART TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR EARTH! its all we have, my friend.....

For the pink orchids, how long ago when it was gone? I think in America, people are more aware about convservation now. Maybe it is possible to start a group and with permission of the authority to reintroduce those plants back. Of course you need to let the community aware of it and hence then people will take part to protect it than stealing it.

[estación seca]

The pink slipper orchids are so dependent on their symbiotic fungus that they are very difficult to propagate in cultivation. They will never be common in the wild again. The few remaining populations might be eradicated quickly. They are gone.