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10-20-2014, 11:00 AM
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Heirloom clone: Paph Alcibiades 'Bertsch'
Here is an illustration of, you need to know what you are looking at. If you saw this flower on a sales table, you would think that it is a relatively poor flower for a modern hybrid. However, there is a lot more to the story:
Paph Alcibiades is a 2nd generation hybrid, registered in 1905 by Sir George Holford:
Pod parent: Paph Leeanum = (insigne x spicerianum)
Pollen parent: Paph Monsieur de Curte = (boxallii [syn villosum] x insigne)
Paph Leeanum is the most used breeder that I am aware of, but Paph Alcibiades is not far behind. According to OrchidWiz 2013, which lists 24,544 hybrid names for Paphiopedilum:
Leeanum : F1 = 215 & Progeny = 15,934 (64.9%)
Alcibiades: F1 = 117 & Progeny = 11,222 (45.7%)
For a second generation hybrid, this flower is spectacular. I don't know whether anyone has ever checked, but based on the flower and the appearance of the foliage, I would not be surprised if this clone turned out to be 4N.
I found this plant on Ebay last year, and it has grown so well, that it can be divided next year.
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10-20-2014, 06:38 PM
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Awesome!
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10-20-2014, 08:49 PM
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I love the shape of the flower and your beautiful photo too.
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10-20-2014, 09:57 PM
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Thank you.
And for reference, here is a photo of Paph Leeanum, the pod parent. Alcibiades is a vast improvement, with the villosum var. boxallii grandparent bringing the spots back.
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10-21-2014, 10:29 AM
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Thanks for all the great information. I'm new to this genus and I appreciate it.
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10-28-2014, 04:00 AM
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Wow, that is a cool flower and I see how it is an improvement on the parent.
What is it that suggests the plant is 4N?
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10-28-2014, 08:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lotis146
Wow, that is a cool flower and I see how it is an improvement on the parent.
What is it that suggests the plant is 4N?
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Two hints of 4N are:
Wider, longer & very stiff leaves.
Flower is sturdier & significantly larger than any of the 3 species and their primary hybrids.
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11-02-2014, 12:19 PM
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It's lovely.
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