Is My New Paph Venestum OK?

[The Mutant]

Originally Posted by Rowangreen

I was sure I'd posted a reply! Must have clicked the wrong button.

NYC: Most of this is an old thread...

Mutant: you may have more paphs than me, but I think I have more genuses!

And I think I've said this before: I'd trust the label on your 'Mont Miliais' x self much more than the one on your 'Schwarze Madonna'! The first is indicating a plant grown from seed, of which there could have been thousands. The second indicates a clone, and since you can't clone paphs the only way to that would be to do divisions. There are just too many 'Schwarze Madonna's on sale too cheap with too many different ilustrating pictures for them to all be one clone... I think that's a trade name. Should still be nice though!

I think so too, I only stick to Phals, Paphs, and one Phrag, and those are more than enough for me.

Interesting, I've never thought of that before. If it really was a 'Schwarze Madonna' then it probably would have a "x self" somewhere, but it doesn't... I think some vendors forget about the "x self" and just write the names. it's the same with my Claire de Lune 'Edgar van Belle', I highly doubt that it's a division of the awarded plant, but rather a selfling.

The 'Mont Miliais' x self was too cheap to be a true 'MM' selfling, and its leaves look wrong too. It's a chubby roth, and as far as I know, 'Mont Miliais' isn't chubby. But whatever it might be, it grows well so I'm not complaining.

[Rowangreen]

You might be right about the SM being a selfing. I think sometimes you do get trade names being used: eg a nursery near to me had a load of (whatever name they used) Octopussy, which were almost certainly Prosthecea cochleatea. Really annoying: they have a suplier produces fabulous plants, then labels them like that, if they have a label at all...

Maybe see how the Milais goes: I think selfings can throw up quite different plants sometimes.

[The Mutant]

Originally Posted by Rowangreen

You might be right about the SM being a selfing. I think sometimes you do get trade names being used: eg a nursery near to me had a load of (whatever name they used) Octopussy, which were almost certainly Prosthecea cochleatea. Really annoying: they have a suplier produces fabulous plants, then labels them like that, if they have a label at all...

Maybe see how the Milais goes: I think selfings can throw up quite different plants sometimes.

Hehe, well to be fair, it looks a bit...octopussy, right?

I think it might be the same as another user on the Swedish orchid forum has, and that was sold to him as a 'MM' x somethingelse roth. His has exactly the same way of growing, and if mine turns out to bloom like his did, it's probably the same cross. His roth is very compact, sort of a mini-roth, which is great, 'cause then I'll have at least one roth that won't become huge.

[Rowangreen]

You should get a wilhelminia like me: choose it as they are supposed to stay on the small side.

[The Mutant]

Originally Posted by Rowangreen

You should get a wilhelminia like me: choose it as they are supposed to stay on the small side.

I have a praestans var. gardineri that's not supposed to become that much bigger than a wilhelminia. It seems to like living with me and is growing happily together with my paphiopedilums (helenae, henryanum, villosum etc.).

[Rowangreen]

I think there's some debate about exact definition of what's what, and probably some crossbred plants as a result! I think wils are also sold as glanduliferum v. wilhelminae, and maybe plain glandiferum, but I think those can be big as well? Not sure! I just got one that I'm pretty sure I'm going to like the look of and which isn't going to get too big! Got it brought over from the US when a seller was coming over, so it has named clone parents. Seem to have put the label somewhere though. Grrrr.

Seller doesn't seem to have the same one at the moment, but found this which is interesting:

https://www.orchidweb.com/products/p...tans~1386.html

PS: newest leaf on my venustum is looking thin again, but so far empty. It is only a little plant that lost a lot of it's leaves, so I guess I won't feel too bad if it saves it's energy and waits to flower for a new fan... but it would be nice!

[The Mutant]

I read about the discussion about these species as well, and no one seems to really know what's what.

I think mine will be compact too and have a lot of red on the flowers. At least I hope it will. It's also a U.S. import, but from Orchid Inn Ltd., Paph. glanduliferum var. gardineri x sib (Red Star x Red Dragon). Let's just say that I think the flowers might be red-ish.

I like the site you linked to, and it looks like they have a lot of interesting Paphs. I'll definetly order from them in the future.

My venustum flowered during Christmas, but has done nothing since. I'm waiting for it to grow a new fan, and I think it will... Eventually.

[Rowangreen]

Whatever mine's doing at the moment, I can't belive how fast it's doing it. After it spent most of a year growing one leaf... Guess they do things when they feel like it! The new leaf is definitely thinner than the normal ones, but nothing popping up inside so far!