Cymbidium lianpan - Orchid Board

ChipMolly · #1 11-22-2016, 05:50 PM

Hi everyone. I'm hoping to find some answers regarding Cymbidium lianpan Tang et Wang ex Wu, nom. nud / nom. invalid.

This specific category has apparently been rendered invalid [Du Puy, Cribb The Genus Cymbidium, 2007] and [Liu, Chen, Ru The Genus Cymbidium in China], now considered synonymous with Cymbidium tortisepalum var tortisepalum.

However from comments by mainland Chinese growers, it would appear that Cymbidium lianpan continues to be used in the vernacular sense in mainland China, for what appears to be a morphologically and geographically distinctive population of goeringii/tortisepalum like plants from western Yunnan.

I have read comments on very old Flickr posts (dating and 8 years or more), that during the time of Du Puy and Cribb's new classification, Cym tortisepalum was understood to be mainly endemic to Taiwan and that the mainland chinese Yunannese form was very poorly known.

So it would seem that there might be a revisit of this specific category in the future? I'm curious if people who grow them find them morphologically and culturally distinctive.

No-Pro-mwa · #2 11-23-2016, 12:09 PM

Cym Ladye · #3 11-30-2016, 01:06 PM

Check the post by Sam Willis on the CSA FB page. It might be a lead for you.

ChipMolly · #4 11-30-2016, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cym Ladye

Check the post by Sam Willis on the CSA FB page. It might be a lead for you.

Cymbidium Society of America? I cant find his post? I have reposted my query on that page.

Cym Ladye · #5 12-01-2016, 01:48 PM

Sam is actually 'Samantha'.

"Drop a note to Stephen Early through his website at Cymbidium Species - Stephen Early and see if he can shed some light on this for you. I know Du Puy and Cribb reclassified a lot of these lesser known names into goeringii, which has caused only confusion in my opinion."

She also posted a photo of the first AOS awarded tortisepalum showing the actual twisting of the segments, as the original description determined. None of the other AOS awarded cultivars show this. (torti sepalum = twisted sepals).

ChipMolly · #6 12-01-2016, 04:35 PM

Thanks CymLadye. Its so rare to see any Jensoa species pictures on FB I love them.

Cym Ladye · #7 12-02-2016, 12:18 PM

One of the most knowledgeable growers of the jensoa family is Don Brown, a genus specific hobbyist grower in Southern California. He has many awards, his plants are beautifully grown and he exhibits at the shows in the area. You might be able to find him on Google. I do not have a contact for him, but I will see what I can find for you. Give me a few days.

ChipMolly · #8 12-02-2016, 04:29 PM

Thanks! I appreciate it. I follow Don on Flickr. He's never replied to any of my messages to him there. He may not be aware of the messaging system on Flickr.

Cym Ladye · #9 12-04-2016, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChipMolly

Thanks! I appreciate it. I follow Don on Flickr. He's never replied to any of my messages to him there. He may not be aware of the messaging system on Flickr.

I strongly suspect he is not aware of the messaging system. I will try to find a contact for you and PM you on this site.

Cym Ladye · #10 12-10-2016, 02:51 PM

Hi Chipmolly,

Please send me an email at goldcoastcymgrowers@gmail.com and I will forward on to you my conversation with Don.