New C. goeringiiI

[flexdc]

Wow I would like a Cai Yun He as well!


Andrew L.A.

[Cym Ladye]

Google search for images may pull up one or two which are correct to the name searched, but 98% of the images will not be what you specifically want for comparison. Viewers beware!

I am still waiting to hear from any hobbyist member who has grown this species for more than 3 years to share their success with us. Hmmmm?

[MattWoelfsen]

Originally Posted by ksd123

Lian Ban = Lian (lotus) Ban (petals)

Cai Yuan He = Cai (colorful) Yun (cloud) He (lotus)

'Yuan' is likely a typo. 'Yun' sounds more correct. The Chinese characters for Cai Yun He are 彩云荷

Does your Cai Yun He look like these?

Thank you for your translations ksd123. I appreciate your inclusion of the Pinyin. Thank you for correcting the spelling of Yuan to Yun.

My version of this Cymbidium goeringii Cai Yun He is this plant, from the Big Oak Vendor. In person, it looks exactly like my plant and the plants shown in your link.

image by Matt Woelfsen, on Flickr

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I posted previously my Cym goeringii with the long leaves. Here is an example of Cym goeringii that has short, curly leaves. The long leafed version comes from China. The short leaved version was hybridized in S. Korea but I got it from japenseorchds/eBay vendor.

Cymbidium Hakuryu-no-mai 白龍の舞 by Matt Woelfsen, on Flickr

This is a hybrid of Cymbidium goeringii x Cymbidium floribumdum.

[flexdc]

Hakuryu-no-mai = white dragon's dance


Andrew L.A.

[MattWoelfsen]

Thank you Andrew! Great!

[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by Cym Ladye

Three years was an observation and more than that a "challenge", not a "restriction". I am sorry you read more into the comment than was stated or intended.

As background, there are several types of the species goeringii which unfortunately were all lumped together. I say 'unfortunately' because their growing conditions vary. The long slender leaved tortisepalum variety with 5-6 flowers for instance, has different growing needs from the cold growing true goeringii with the short leaves and single flowers.

Since each species in this group has its own specific cultural requirements, if you can give them what they want inside your house, then you may succeed. If not, they will die and it will not take three years. Sinense tends to do well inside the house if given enough light and humidity but then it is a warmer growing species.

Although I haven't been keeping these long enough to claim any real understanding of them, I'm not blind or stupid either! There has been a vast difference in the performance of my two plants. The 'Lian Ban', a tortisepalum type has flowered and is beginning to put out what appears to be new growth. The broad leafed 'Cai Yuan He' sitting next to it has done nothing. Both plants are under a 10 hr photoperiod of intense led lighting (going to 11 soon) in a room which gets cooler at night, ranging from high 50s down to mid 40s F. Daytime temps mid to upper 60s F. It seems obvious that the broad leafed plant is winter dormant
while the tortisepalum isn't. I hope to have both of these plants long enough to understand them, and one thing I need to figure out is a colder dormancy for the 'Cai Yuan He'.

[Subrosa]

Update: 'Cai Yun He' crapped out last summer, probably the heat. Lian Ban flowered the first winter but almost joined it during the summer. It has recovered pretty well, although not quite to where it was when I got it. It has yet to bloom again. I'm hoping that moving into the mountains will make summers outdoors more tolerable for it, because I'm not running lights over the summer.

[Asian Cymbidium Empress]

Lian ban = 荷辦
Cai Yun He = 彩雲荷

Lian ban is just describing the petal (lotus flower petal). It is probably an unnamed wildtype plant (no variety name).

Cai Yun He is a cross between a wildtype Cymbidium goeringii x Cymbidium goeringii Lu Yun (peloric variety).

I hope this helps.


Cai Yu He