Curious About Different Clones Of 'Little Black Sambo'

[Subrosa]

I just ordered a clone of Black Magic from Santa Barbara Orchid Estate for my first specimen of this cross. I'm curious about the differences between different clones, mostly in regards to fragrance and size. Any insight from folks who keep different examples would be greatly appreciated.Tia!

[theloyalplum]

I have no idea of different clones, probably the main difference would be the amount of pale outline on each of the flowers. In any case, mine does really well in Norcal and has been in simultaneous growth and bloom since May!

[NeofinetiaCanada2014]

Is this Cymbidium?


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[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by NeofinetiaCanada2014

Is this Cymbidium?


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Yes it is.

[Cym Ladye]

Depending on the color/variety of the species canaliculatum used, the color will vary. Some of the cultivars are an almost solid deep burgundy red like LBS 'Black Magic' AM/AOS and 'Burbank' AM/AOS with a fine cream border on the segments, and others are green with burgundy blotches like 'Cinnabar' and 'San Leandro'. Most of the LBS available on the market are 'Black Magic' as it was mericloned. The green forms are generally held in the hands of the serious hobby growers.

They are all culturally treated the same: warm summers and winters above 45F but with little water from late fall to bloom. The madidum species gives LBS more tolerance to water in the winter, but keeping the temps up are critical to good bloom in the spring.

If you are in Northern Ca, find a covered area where there is little danger of rain on them but is sunny and stays above 45F. A brief misting during summy days in mid winter is recommended. They will tolerate freezing temps for short periods, but will bloom far better if kept warmer.

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[Subrosa]

Originally Posted by Cym Ladye

Depending on the color/variety of the species canaliculatum used, the color will vary. Some of the cultivars are an almost solid deep burgundy red like LBS 'Black Magic' AM/AOS and 'Burbank' AM/AOS with a fine cream border on the segments, and others are green with burgundy blotches like 'Cinnabar' and 'San Leandro'. Most of the LBS available on the market are 'Black Magic' as it was mericloned. The green forms are generally held in the hands of the serious hobby growers.

They are all culturally treated the same: warm summers and winters above 45F but with little water from late fall to bloom. The madidum species gives LBS more tolerance to water in the winter, but keeping the temps up are critical to good bloom in the spring.

If you are in Northern Ca, find a covered area where there is little danger of rain on them but is sunny and stays above 45F. A brief misting during summy days in mid winter is recommended. They will tolerate freezing temps for short periods, but will bloom far better if kept warmer.

Thank you! I live on the east coast about 20 miles west of Philadelphia PA, so mine will be coming in for the winter. I was wondering what temp I should use to determine when to bring it in, so you would suggest no lower than 45F nights for best blooming? I have very intense LED lighting, but prefer to use the sun as long as I can!

[estación seca]

I've been looking at climate data
Warmun Weather Station

and species distribution data for
Cymbidium canaliculatum

Australia has amazing, impressive, wonderful online tools for finding information about the geology, weather and biology of their country.

It looks to me as though I should be able to grow C. canaliculatum and Aussie primary hybrids outside on my patio just fine, if I bring them into the house on the 0-10 frosty nights we get per winter. What do you think, CymLadye?

[Cym Ladye]

You need to remember that LBS is 1/2 canaliculatum and 1/2 madidum, which is far less tolerant to cold conditions. I hope you mean 0-10C and not F?

Moving Cyms inside is better done as soon as the temps get to frost and leave them indoors until spring when all danger of frost is past. By just moving inside on freezing nights and outside during the day, you essentially are changing their normal cycle to warmer dark nights from colder bright days.

The experience most hobbyists who grow the LBS cross have is that they grow but do not bloom or abort the flower spikes. I have grown for over 40 years and although canaliculatum and LBS grow well, they never bloom the way they would in an ideal environment.

This is a plant that can grow very large. It has little to no fragrance.

You will have to experiment with your plant and see what works the best in the environment you provide with as much info as possible.

[estación seca]

I meant we have temperatures of 32F or below (only during the night) from 0 to 10 times each winter. The following day is always above freezing. It's sunny here almost all winter. Lots of people here grow tender plants (of all kinds) outside all winter, and bring them into the house just on those few nights, putting them out again the next day.

[Cym Ladye]

Originally Posted by estación seca

I meant we have temperatures of 32F or below (only during the night) from 0 to 10 times each winter. The following day is always above freezing. It's sunny here almost all winter. Lots of people here grow tender plants (of all kinds) outside all winter, and bring them into the house just on those few nights, putting them out again the next day.

You are definitely not in a area conducive to growing orchids well, let alone Cyms., unless you have a climate controlled greenhouse. Unless you can construct one on your property for your orchids, I would look seriously at other types of plants which may be happier in your arid and extreme temperature environment without taking so much energy on your part to protect them.