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Old 09-10-2010, 03:34 PM
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Can't wait to see what it will look like.. show pix when it blooms
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Old 09-12-2010, 02:49 PM
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One of the first growers to use lava rock here in Nor Cal was The Orchid Zone in Salinas for their paph alliance. As this genus is generally repotted every 1-2 years, the build up of salts was not a problem. They also had incredibly good water! This might also apply to the paph grower in Florida.
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Old 09-12-2010, 03:15 PM
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One of the first growers to use lava rock here in Nor Cal was The Orchid Zone in Salinas for their paph alliance. As this genus is generally repotted every 1-2 years, the build up of salts was not a problem. They also had incredibly good water! This might also apply to the paph grower in Florida.
I'd still be careful with the cinder. I visited the grower you allude to and the red cinder he had was from Molokaii and very different than the red cinder from the Big Island (Hawaii). The cinder he used didn't crumble while the one from the Big Island pulverizes into dust on crushing. This cinder is super high in Iron and can be toxic to the root as well as caking up in the pots. Just a little Hawaii intel.
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Old 09-13-2010, 12:36 PM
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Bob,

I totally agree with you on this. It is interesting to hear the differences in the lava rock coming from the different islands. Chalk it up as "Island trivia"? I am not even certain that OZ even still uses it. The only use I ever put it to is on the aisles between my benches to eliminate the mud!

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Old 09-16-2010, 09:37 PM
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Thanks to all for all the valuable information and advice.

I have two rows of Cymbs (about 100 plants) planted outdoors on the substrate described above with red volcanic rock in 2008

That is over 2 1/2 years I started experimenting with that substrate, so far, I have not had any problems. Those plants were small when planted, have grown and have flowered during this time.

I pulled out a couple of plants the other day and had amazingly long healthy roots. Some almost 2 feet long.

I use ONLY rain water on the plants. I have plenty of rain water storage for the dry months.

I have re-potted flask seedlings and other Cymbs during this time and have never noticed any root problems. They come out fat and healthy white with pieces of lava rock and charcoal attached.
Except for a few older thinner roots which have naturally "done their thing", and I cut them out.

The plant above has not known anything else but red rock/charcoal as its substrate, and it's booming at less than 2 years from flask!

When I "recycle" the substrate I:
1- Submerge the substrate in half a drum filled with a heavy Cycosin (fungicide) solution for about a week or more.
2- moving the media around every day and taking out all organic material that might come out.
3- Wash the media with pure water and sift with the appropriate grid to get everything out besides the media.
4- Let it completely dry before using.
5- I always use 50% new media when re-potting.

I do not discard the possibility of having problems with this media in the future, especially knowing that this advice comes from reputable sources of this board, but right now, there is no reason to run and repot all my cymbs as they are doing just great.

I will do a little bit of further research as I will try to get the chemical content of this lava rock from the quarry I buy it from. Maybe they have this information.

Additionally, I will get the complete list of plants (including orchids) that people around here grow using that media. This rock is very popular in hydroponics and other commercial operations around here. It is not my invention

More on this later, and thanks again!

Rodrigo

PS. A little bit more trivia. This rock comes from the foothills of the Barva volcano.
This rock is hard and very porous. It does not pulverize. You have to crush it to pieces and it produces a coarse sand-like material.

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Old 09-17-2010, 01:40 PM
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Rodrigo,

What do you mean when you say you are potting on a "substrate"? I think we have all assumed you are potting in pots. Lava rock will obviously work differently if it is used in a "landscape" environment.

Secondly, Cycosin is a fungicide, not a viricide. If you have virus in your collection, a fungicide will not kill it, and you will contaminate every plant with the recycling of any media. If you do not care if your collection is virused, that is your choice, but please do not pass the plants on to unsuspecting friends or the public. If you are unfamiliar with how virus effects orchids and the symptoms, you can reference "virus in orchids" on several different web sites. I strongly recommend you do so and become knowledgeable of the problem and how it is spread.

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Old 12-14-2010, 10:30 AM
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Default Stonehaven Cooksbridge in bloom

Well... the wait is over

Today the last flower opened so I decided to take the pictures.

I de-flasked this cymb on October 30, 2008 so it has been 2 years, 1 month, and a couple of days from flask to a completely bloomed plant!

I feel somewhat proud of this accomplishment





Regards,

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Old 12-14-2010, 12:25 PM
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You should be proud.. You did a wonderful job.. Congrats
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Old 12-14-2010, 05:42 PM
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Thanks for showing the pic, lovely cym.
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:07 PM
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<<Stonehaven Cooksbridge in bloom>>

Rodrigo,

I find no registration for a Cymbidium Stonehaven. There is one however, for Cym. Stoneaven (Putana x Cariga), a cross made and registered by Mc Beans. I suspect this is the mericlone 'Cooksbridge' that you have. Misspellings are frequent in our world of orchids.

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