L. Pacavia x C. Massageana pic

[LeeB]

Hi, I was lucky enough to receive the above Laeliocattleya at the Amherst, MA OS. It is from the Santa Barbara O. E. I can't find a pic of C. Massageana nor a pic of the cross. Does anyone grow either of these or the cross? Thanks in advance.

[silken]

Sounds like a nice cross. I don't grow either. But I looked up the C. Massangeana in OrchidWiz. There are two registered crosses with that name unfortunately. Both are spelt MassaNgeana. Both are from very long ago. C. (Lc.) Massangeana is C. schilleriana x C. tenebrosa. It was registered in 1900 by Peeters. The other is Rlc (Bc.) Massangeana registered in 1914 by Pauwels. It is Rlc. Mrs. J. Leemann x C. trianae. There is no photo for that one. But the other shows two pics. Here they are:

I'm assuming it is the one with the schilleriana x tenebrosa but you can likely confirm with Santa Barbara which it is.

[LeeB]

Thank you Silken. I will contact SBOE & see what they say.

[PaphMadMan]

I would assume the Massangeana is the schilleriana x tenebrosa cross. As a primary hybrid it is far more likely to be around than a dusty old Bc. cross, more likely to be labeled C. as you indicate (currant usage), and a far more logical cross with Pacavia.

[silken]

Originally Posted by PaphMadMan

I would assume the Massangeana is the schilleriana x tenebrosa cross. As a primary hybrid it is far more likely to be around than a dusty old Bc. cross, more likely to be labeled C. as you indicate (currant usage), and a far more logical cross with Pacavia.

My thoughts exactly

[PaphMadMan]

Since C. (L.) Pacavia is a hybrid of 2 similar species (tenebrosa x purpurata) it is very predictable for shape. Colors tend more towards purpurata much of the time but flowers almost indistinguishable from tenebrosa are also possible.

C. (Lc.) Massangeana is (schilleriana x tenebrosa). One picture in OrchidWiz shows a flower with intensified tenebrosa colors with a shape that is intermediate between the 2. Crossed with Pacavia I would expect mostly very tenebrosa-like flowers with possibly darker colors tending toward purples.

Rlc. (Bc.) Massangeana would be a typical early Bc. type hybrid in a variety of colors. I can't find a picture. If the cross does use that it is too boring to even contemplate what the result would be.