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Old 04-07-2015, 01:55 PM
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While these are pretty good looking flowers, I'd have say they're not gaskelliana. They look like a complex hybrid of some sort.
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While these are pretty good looking flowers, I'd have say they're not gaskelliana. They look like a complex hybrid of some sort.
Interesting. The siblings that have been judged are passing for C. gaskelliana and the vendor felt that the flask came from a very reliable source. He is an honest guy and I know he paid good money for the flask as it was supposed to be a good species cross. Should I tell him that it is possible that he was cheated?

Fortunately, even as noID's, I really love the results. The large, wonderfully fragrant flowers are very delicate yet last a while, the coloring on both is very pretty, and the orchid is really easy to grow and bloom. Even better, as he had already chosen the winners from the flask, these were a nice bargain.
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Interesting. The siblings that have been judged are passing for C. gaskelliana and the vendor felt that the flask came from a very reliable source. He is an honest guy and I know he paid good money for the flask as it was supposed to be a good species cross. Should I tell him that it is possible that he was cheated?
As a judge in training, I cringe that sibs of these are being judged as gaskelliana!!!!!!!!

I would tell the vendor that his source may have mixed up a label or something!
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Really beautiful, love the color!
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I agree with Isurus79. Although beautiful flowers, they look like possibly gaskelliana primary hybrids. I have numerous gaskellianas and none have open flower lips like these. The coloration is also not usual as in the second flower of all the gaskellianas I have ever seen. Perhaps analyzing the growth patterns to confirm if it is gaskelliana? True gaskellianas start growths in February. While the new lead grows, the sheath will flower right away by May to June, then root after blooming. If your plants deviate from this, like root before blooming, bloom more than once a year, or start growths in fall, then it is not a gaskelliana ... Wishing you luck to identify them!


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Quite honestly, I do not really know what to think. I don't intend to ever try for an award and I don't breed orchids so it probably doesn't matter. I will, however, make a case why it just might be a C. gaskelliana (because, you know, it is easier than wondering what the orchid actually might be?).

I have seen Cattleyas labeled as gaskelliana on the web that have a more open lip, including some that Chadwick and Sons are selling on their website. There is quite a bit of variation in color as well, even on the lip. Some do not have the 'saddle'. I do understand that many of these 'gaskelliana' might be mislabeled but, hey, how do I know?
I have learned through talks given at our OS and my reading that even when using two of the same species in a crossing, you can get quite a bit of variation with some of the Cattleyas in both form and color. These were the rejects from the flask...I liked them and the price was cheap. The better rejects sold for more. Naturally, the reason these were so cheap was that the form IS bad. Is this because they are just a poor example of the species or because they are actually hybrids? I cannot say.
Last year, they did behave as normal gaskelliana though neither bloomed (I think they were adjusting to the red lava rock). The flowers in their first bloomings were thin, the top petal fell backwards, the size is what I had expected and the fragrance is the typical gaskelliana fragrance. The flowers emerged right away from the pseudobulb and the roots came after the blooming period. The growth cycle was on schedule as well.
The explanation for why it is blooming so early...it is my first year growing under lights and all of my orchids are off-schedule. :|

I just realized that perhaps you may be talking about the length of the column before it opens into the lip. The angle at which I took the pictures 'shrinks' the columns of both flowers. Could that be where the confusion lies? Naturally, I get to see the actual flower and not the picture so if this is the case, I see the problem.

So, there is the argument. As I am not going to pay and have these genetically tested, I don't think we can say, right now, with 100% accuracy whether these are just really bad examples of the species or whether they are hybrids. The vendor has assured me that these are indeed C. gaskelliana. He bought them from someone he knows very well. I will probably learn the truth in a few years when the vendor takes the sibling he feels is perfect to try for an AOS award. I will have to remember to post the results.

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I hope they are what they are suppose to be. I just wanted to say they are both beautiful. I also like the fact that it is like you have 2 different orchids as they are different in color.
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Thank you! I gave away most of the larger Cattleyas, including the species, but I kept these two as I really enjoy the flowers. I hope the mossiae and purpurata seedlings will be worth keeping, too, as they take up a good deal of space, too. :|
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I know what you mean. I go back and forth about the large ones. But when they bloom then I am, oh, oh I should get some more large flowered ones.
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That's the problem. Most of the fragrant species with those gorgeous corsage-quality orchids only bloom once a year and get huge. Until I joined an orchid society, I just kept buying Cattleya seedlings with no idea how large they would get. Each was unique and I was trying to collect them all. The OS display table was a huge eye-opener. :|
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