Brassavola nodosa 'Cozette' (4N)

[stefpix]

Looks like Brassavola grandiflora not B. nodosa. The leaves are flat and open, wile in B. nodosa they are more terete. B. grandiflora grows on the caribbean side of Mexico, while B. nodosa grows on the Pacific side. B. grandiflora does not have any possible spotting in the throat of the flower. Could also be an hybrid between the 2/

I have both species and the leaved are definitely different

Flora: Península de Yucatán

IOSPE PHOTOS

[WhiteRabbit]

Originally Posted by nikkik

So pretty! I'm a sucker for that long, narrow leaf and the flower shape definitely makes it appealing to the eye! Great job!

Thanks

[WhiteRabbit]

Originally Posted by stefpix

Looks like Brassavola grandiflora not B. nodosa. The leaves are flat and open, wile in B. nodosa they are more terete. B. grandiflora grows on the caribbean side of Mexico, while B. nodosa grows on the Pacific side. B. grandiflora does not have any possible spotting in the throat of the flower. Could also be an hybrid between the 2/

I have both species and the leaved are definitely different

Flora: Península de Yucatán

IOSPE PHOTOS

Ah - interesting - thanks for the info!

[stefpix]

I would ask the grower where it came from. That Mexican site is ran by botanists and I think they are in touch with German Carnevali, that i believe is an orchid taxonomist. What is sold here is always labeled
B. nodosa. But My B. grandiflora was an import from Mexico and the leaves are definitely different than the stick I got from Andy's ($ 7 special). My B. grandiflora is for sure one of the best I have as it grows fast and blooms with 3/5 flowers from almost every new growth. I broke mistakenly 2 or 3 new shoots but it makes up. The leaves of Andy's B. nodosa are a lot smaller but it has started to grow. I thought it was not blooming size but had some old spikes. The leaves are a lighter green, while my B. nodosa that i leave outside has darker leaves no matter how much light I give to it. Anyway it si one of my favorite orchids and more floriferous than hybrids I have like Bc. Kosh Wallis, Bl. Yellow Bird, and B. Little Stars.

Makes me wonder if sometimes the genetic quality of some mericlones or self pollinated seedling available in the US may be less vigorous, some sort of inbreeding loss of vigor. Anyway, Sonya yours seem to have great shaped flawless large flowers on relatively small leaves . Mine usualy has more blooms per spike. It bloomed 3 months ago, the flowers were smaller, but now it is blooming again sequentially from different spikes and the flowers look larger (COULD BE THE WARM WEATHER helping)

[WhiteRabbit]

Originally Posted by stefpix

I would ask the grower where it came from. That Mexican site is ran by botanists and I think they are in touch with German Carnevali, that i believe is an orchid taxonomist. What is sold here is always labeled
B. nodosa. But My B. grandiflora was an import from Mexico and the leaves are definitely different than the stick I got from Andy's ($ 7 special). My B. grandiflora is for sure one of the best I have as it grows fast and blooms with 3/5 flowers from almost every new growth. I broke mistakenly 2 or 3 new shoots but it makes up. The leaves of Andy's B. nodosa are a lot smaller but it has started to grow. I thought it was not blooming size but had some old spikes. The leaves are a lighter green, while my B. nodosa that i leave outside has darker leaves no matter how much light I give to it. Anyway it si one of my favorite orchids and more floriferous than hybrids I have like Bc. Kosh Wallis, Bl. Yellow Bird, and B. Little Stars.

Makes me wonder if sometimes the genetic quality of some mericlones or self pollinated seedling available in the US may be less vigorous, some sort of inbreeding loss of vigor. Anyway, Sonya yours seem to have great shaped flawless large flowers on relatively small leaves . Mine usualy has more blooms per spike. It bloomed 3 months ago, the flowers were smaller, but now it is blooming again sequentially from different spikes and the flowers look larger (COULD BE THE WARM WEATHER helping)

Thanks for all the info!

This was a members sales plant from a nearby OS show and sale ... Tagged as nodosa ...
But from what you have said, and reading on IOSPE - perhaps it is grandiflora ...

This did have 3 blooms on the previous spike - I expect as it gets bigger, there might be more

Hopefully, if grandiflora, which I read is a warm to hot grower ? , it won't be too upset with winter temps - even inside - I keep the heat down But, I did get it in January, and the coolness of the house didn't seem to bother it, so I guess it will be ok ...

[stefpix]

here are the photos of my B grandiflora in flower (there has been a heat wave here, so the lip is a bit curled) and then a comparison between the B. nodosa and B. grandiflora leaves. I believe that there are separate species that are more similar one to the other, seems that such leaf difference would grant more than varietal status

[euplusia]

In the German Orchid Journal 'Die Orchidee' 49 (3), 1998 page 145 - 147 H. Fessel and E. Lückel from the Department of Botanial systematics wrote a detailed description on Brassavola nodosa, venosa and grandiflora.
The given schematic lip details are shown in the attached image.
Moreover the leaves of nododa are terete, round and fleshy, while the leaves of the two remaining are broader, V-shaped.
Flowers of grandiflora are double the size of nodosa, but of similar shape.
I would like to know if 4n is just a guess or the result of a genetic analysis.

[WhiteRabbit]

Originally Posted by stefpix

here are the photos of my B grandiflora in flower (there has been a heat wave here, so the lip is a bit curled) and then a comparison between the B. nodosa and B. grandiflora leaves. I believe that there are separate species that are more similar one to the other, seems that such leaf difference would grant more than varietal status

Awesome! Thanks for sharing your photos with me - the leaf variation is quite something! I can definitely see that mine does appear to have the foliage of the grandiflora.

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Originally Posted by euplusia

In the German Orchid Journal 'Die Orchidee' 49 (3), 1998 page 145 - 147 H. Fessel and E. Lückel from the Department of Botanial systematics wrote a detailed description on Brassavola nodosa, venosa and grandiflora.
The given schematic lip details are shown in the attached image.
Moreover the leaves of nododa are terete, round and fleshy, while the leaves of the two remaining are broader, V-shaped.
Flowers of grandiflora are double the size of nodosa, but of similar shape.
I would like to know if 4n is just a guess or the result of a genetic analysis.

Very interesting!

Yes, it does seem the foliage of mine is of the type of grandiflora or venosa.

I would like to suppose that the previous owner of the plant, belonging to an OS, wouldn't have guessed at the 4N - however, who knows about where s/he got the plant - the original seller may have guessed at 4N due to the large blooms, and figured it would also increase the price the plant would fetch ...

So, I love this plant! But wish I could know for sure what it was



I really appreciate all the info supplied - OB members rock!

[euplusia]

As for Brassavola venosa, the authors refer to Lindley and the coloured drawing in the Botanical Register 26, t 39, 1840.
They point out that leaves (of the examined plant)are 160 mm long and 22 mm wide. The flower stem is not longer than the leaves. The column bears 2 appendices at the side in the shape of a sickle. The venosa lip is 57 mm long and 45 mm wide.
The typical nodosa lip is 45 mm long and 25 mm wide. The lip and flowers of grandiflora are double the size of nodosa.

Yes, this board rocks at times.