Greenhill,
lets start by saying I always had/have the outmost respect for the contribution you did, and the collection you had back in the days, maybe it just got even better! just to mention a few old outstanding classic clones : Lueddemaniana coerulia Mariauxi, C. percivaliana coerulia undine, and many other Exceptional Venezuelan cattleyas.
if you want to talk about the plant being a pure lueddemaniana or not you are more than welcome to do so in fact your presence here is very appreciated by me, after all it is a learning experience. and I do want to learn more, if i am proven otherwise meaning the plant is a true lueddemaniana, I will have no issues in admitting it and making sure that everyone knows that I did a mistake (it wont be the first or the last).,and I will go get a mericlone or two of it.
however marking me or anyone else as an "Expert" ironically in the way you just did , or simply trying to take down someone else credibility is unacceptable. please remember I am an orchid hobbyist, and have NO COMERCIAL interest at all, I gain nothing or loose nothing by expressing my opinions. feel free to attack the information given, not the person nor his credibility, even if I am not an "expert" please don't have any doubts in my capacity to talk about something that I spend many hundreds of hours reading , investigating, and growing.
now where the "Expert" as you called me, found most of the information ?
Please follow this link :
Re: [orquidea] CATTLEYA LUEDDEMANNIANA 'CERRO VERDE'
I am quite sure you will not dare to tell that Carlos keller is not an expert in the cattleya field, because he is.
For those who cant read Spanish scroll to latest message in the email thread, copy and paste the information at Google Translate = Enjoy.
I admit, i did spiced it up to make it as an anecdotal fun reading to the best of my ability, it is also true that I did not saw the seedlings flowering it in your greenhouse, it is also true that the core spirit of this thread was never to Attack Mr. Mantellini,
based on what carlos said there i believe you did talked to someone, or showed the promising results to someone who shared it with others, is Mr keller saying something that is not true? if so, where did he get the information ?
According to Mr Keller Story posted on 2007, you took a division of the Stanleyi clone, and took it back to Venezuela, and later on the flower was different than the Stanleyi who received an award from the RHS in 1901 and was presented by Stanleyi Ashton,...
based on the above , (part of what Keller said) , how can you tell the plant was taken from the wild? did you collect it yourself? or it came from someone else? (jones and Skully at orchidglade) there seems to be another "success" story at orchidglade with some C. Walkeriana Alba...(I need to find out what happened in that case)
there is plenty more to read about this clone, just keep looking and searching at google, I am quite sure you will have plenty to read about.
more story ? this one are facts,..
some many years back , was part of the judging group with Dr, Carlos Garcia Esquivel who was leading us at one orchid show sponsored by the SVCN , (learning!!) we were judging miniatures, I heard the discussion when cerro verde clone was not taken into account as a Specie since an important chunk of judges thought it was not a pure Lueddemaniana while the rest were completely silent, I was an EYE WITNESS. at least in one case. how many cases were there? , I don't know, but i can find out.
(carlos keller also confirmed in the link up there that plant was disqualified as species in some orchid shows he did not specified which one or how many)
I was also a good friend of Adolfo Alayon (who passed away a few years back, he was also a friend of yours, he said to me many years back , that he had his doubts about the cerro verde,, and that he was inclined to believe it was not pure. let me stress that , he was inclined, but never said anything conclusive.
many people at the SVCN (old orchid Society in Venezuela) , including some folks of los chorros I believe it was the yepez couple.) had their doubts, Others growers like Antonio Alvarado also voiced out his opinion at least once in front of me about the clone not being a pure lueddemaniana. he voice it out in one of the meetings at the SVCN in el marques..
I don't want to include other names (commercial grower opinions) in this discussion, as some of the information given to me at some point in time, was not publicly available. and cant do that unless I am allowed to do so.
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