Antique, Vintage & Heirloom Cattleyas

[peeweelovesbooks]

So, I've been thinking......I think this would be more helpful to you all if I photocopied and sent those who are interested a copy of the catalog. PM with your information if you would like one and I'll be glad to send it to you. It will take a couple of weeks though.

If not, I'll keep posting the list.


OH, by the way, I found a Jones & Scully catalog from 1960 that I am going to buy. I will let you know when I do.

[Zozzl]

Royal,

I have to see if any of my flasks germinate before I can think about making my own floof! LOL! I'm going to get those bletilla you sent me sown this week. So far 3 weeks and no contamination in any of my flasks.

That is a great idea though. I guess the only way to find out parentage on a lot of these is to subscribe to wildcatt or one of the others? I have been trying to find out the parentage of Lc Wine Festival but so far no luck. I remember the ad for that one from Jones & Scully. They were quite proud of it. It was one of the early cluster waxy wine/reds for those who have not seen it.

I was just over at Carter and Holmes and they really have a nice hybridization program there. Better than what I see on the other sites.

Peewee, I sent you my info. Thanks!

Pat

[jcaesar]

Originally Posted by RoyalOrchids

Well, you can make new oldies. Seriously, just because the cross was registered 110 years ago doesn't mean you can't remake it.

I agree that many crosses can be remade, but there are some exceptions. For example, those using loddigesii/harrisonae, dowiana/aurea to name a few. We really don't know which were used. Also, some hybridizers weren't always truthful when registering their crosses. Finally, many of the well know plants were specific cultivars. Of course, that doesn't mean you can't come up with something even better when remaking a cross!

[jcaesar]

Originally Posted by peeweelovesbooks

So, I've been thinking......I think this would be more helpful to you all if I photocopied and sent those who are interested a copy of the catalog.

I'm enjoying the catalog! I didnt' know Norman's Bay came from J&S until I saw it your post. Have you thought about scanning the catalog & just pasting it on the board as your message? Might save you a lot of time (unless you like typing). Can't wait to see the '60 catalog! I saw a '60-61 catalog listed at Amazon, but it was going for over $40!

[jcaesar]

Originally Posted by Zozzl

I am interested in the new hybridization of catts

I didn't think of this before...there are CD based databases which have info like the crosses, awards, dates, etc. Wildcat comes to mind, but there are lots of others. I would check with AOS or your local judging center to see what they are currently using.

[Royal]

Originally Posted by jcaesar

For example, those using loddigesii/harrisonae, dowiana/aurea to name a few. We really don't know which were used. Also, some hybridizers weren't always truthful when registering their crosses.

Well, you can't do much about the truthfulness of the registrants. But we have to assume that certain names are correct sometimes, unless there is good reason to believe that they're wrong. Following that path would lead us to theoretically question the provenance of any hybrid unless you made it yourself.

To check the parantage of a hybrid, check the RHS orchid register. You can search by grex or by parentage. Royal Horticultural Society - Plants: Registration of Orchids I was recently looking up C. Summer (1948). It goes waaayyy back and includes these oldies:

Falco (1915)
Nutley (1929)
Dupreana (1906)
Hardayana (1896)
Harold (1893)


[edit] Oh, RHS only shows hybrid registrations, but Orchidwiz (forum sponsor) can't be beat for cultivar and awards info.

[jcaesar]

Originally Posted by RoyalOrchids

To check the parantage of a hybrid, check the RHS orchid register. You can search by grex or by parentage.

I didn't have much luck with the RHS...I just did a search on C. Summer, but only found it used in crosses going back to about 2000, not the original cross. I entered the search "C. Summer". Is there something I'm missing? Thanks for the heads-up on OrchidWiz...I saw it before, but forgot the name.

Thanks.

[Royal]

Yeah, the RHS site definitely has some kinks.

To do a grex search - just type in the grex, no genus. Abbreviations don't work either. Also, watch your nomenclature, RHS uses the currently accepted genus names which can be confusing, even to taxonomists. I usually start with the grex only and just sort through the results by genus.

For instance: If you type summer into the grex box and hit search, you'll come up with many hybrids with summer in it's name - Dends, Cymb, Phals, etc. Each genus and artificial genus is grouped individually. Find Cattleya and you still have a list to choose from. Click on the epithet (grex) Summer and it takes you to a page with parentage, registration date, and the registrant.

C. Summer's pollen parent is C. Falco (15')and the seed parent is C. Nutley (29') and was registered in 1948 by someone who's name I didn't write down. Now, hit your back button a few times to bring you back to the search page and enter "Falco". Falco's parents are C. dowiniana and C. Dupreana (1906). A Depreana grex search shows it's parents to be C. warneri x C. warscewiczii. Whew! that's just C. Summer's pollen parent lineage!


To find out if C. Summer has been used to breed another registered hybrid use the parentage search both ways (pollen and seed parent). I did this to see if my C. Summer x C. aclandiae was registered and find it's name. No results means it's not yet registered so it has no grex name. I guess I'll just have to refer to it as C. (Summer x aclandiae).

[peeweelovesbooks]

Originally Posted by jcaesar

I'm enjoying the catalog! I didnt' know Norman's Bay came from J&S until I saw it your post. Have you thought about scanning the catalog & just pasting it on the board as your message? Might save you a lot of time (unless you like typing). Can't wait to see the '60 catalog! I saw a '60-61 catalog listed at Amazon, but it was going for over $40!

I don't mind typing, and I don't have scanner. But it might take longer than I expected cause I didn't realize there was an additional section of seedlings. LOLOLOLOL Let me see if I can get someone at work to convert the pages into a PDF file.......does the board accept PDF?

The catalog I bought was the one listed on Amazon.

[peeweelovesbooks]

Here's today's installment. Enjoy peeps!!


CATTLEYA UNIFOLIATE HYBRIDS

WHITES

C. Ann Faller x C. Mossiae var Wageneri ‘Orchidhaven’. Spring.

C. Bob Betts (Bow Bells x mossiae ‘Wageneri’ , FCC/RHS). Various season.

C. Bow Bells (Edithiae x Suzanne Hye) Various season.

C. Charlotte Jones (labiata ‘Harefield Hall (2n) x Barbara Dane ‘Perfection’ (3n)) Fall-winter.

C. Claris (syn. St. Petersburg) (Clementine Goldfarb x Eucharis) Several times a year.

C. Doretts (Dorene x Bob Betts ‘Phoebe’, A.M./RHS-AOS). Spring.

C. Empress Bells (Bow Bells x Edithiae) Various Seasons.

C. Frances Laws (Joyce Hannington ‘Star’ x trianaei ‘Aranka Germanske’ (3n), F.C.C./AOS) Early Winter.

C. Francis T. C. Au (Bow Bells x Swan) Various seasons.

C. General Patton (Bow Bells x Barbara Billingsley) Various seasons.

C. Helen Mae Bloedorn (General Patton ‘Orchidglade’ (4n) , A.M./AOS x labiata ‘Harefield Hall (2n)) Winter.

C. Joyce Hannington x C. Magali Sander. Fall.

C. Maggie Bartel (Trentino x mossiae ‘Wageneri’, F.C.C./ RHS)

C. Mary Lynn McKenzie (Swan ‘Thanksgiving’ x Bob Betts ‘Rotunda’) Winter

C. North Star (Bow Bells x Helen P. Dane) Various seasons.

C. Pearl Harbor (Bow Bells x Celia) Various Seasons.

C. Pearlnae (Pearl Harbor ‘Rotunda’ (5n), AM/AOS, S.M./SFOS x trianaei var. alba) Fall.

C. Scintillation (Bow Bells x Cowaniae) Various Seasons.

C. Swan (Edithiae x Mlle. Louise Pauwels) Fall.

C. Tiffin Bells (White Blossom ‘Orchid Manor’ (4n), H.C.C./AOS-ODC x Bow Bells ‘Green Label’) Spring.

SEMI-ALBA

C. Alice Pearce (mossiae, Reineckiana ‘Young’, F.C.C./RHS x Princess Royal Alba) Winter-spring.

C. Catherine Patterson (Enid ‘Best’ x Mrs. F. Knollys) Winter

Lc. Clara Schreiver (C. Raphaelaurea x Lc. Jane Dane) Fall-winter.

Blc. Dorothy Jones (Blc. Nanette x C. White Empress, F.C.C./RHS)

C. Enid ‘Alba’ (mossiae ‘Reineckiana’, F.C.C./RHS x gigas ‘F.M.B.’) Winter

Lc. Gina Enn (Lc. Cynthia ‘Majestic’, F.C.C./AOS x C. Dionysius ‘Alba’) Summer-fall.

Blc. Guilherme Guinle (Blc. Nanette x Lc. Stevenson) Fall-winter.

Lc. Jay Markell (Lc. Cynthia, FCC/RHS x C. May Markell) Winter

Blc. Kathleen Kock (C. Barbara Dane x Blc. Nanette) Fall

Lc. Louella Parsons (C. gigas ‘F.M.B.’ x Lc. Jane Dane) Flowers immediately after making new growth; June, again Fall.

C. Pattereen (Maureen Orcutt x Catherine Patterson ‘Orchidglade’, A.M,/AOS) Spring, summer, Fall.

Blc. Ramona Fleischer (Lc. Jane Dane x Blc. Nanette) December, January, February.

C. Sonia Altenburg (Enid ‘Butterfly’ x Nerto) Winter-spring.