Some Brazilian Laelias now Sophronitis.

[ronaldhanko]

Originally Posted by CecilyJoTX

Furthermore, to the post originator: Looked through your pics. Nice Homalopetalums. Nice to see such an uncommonly cultivated member of the subtribe.

-Cj

Thanks, Cecily. What part of TX are you from? Used to be in Houston.

[ronaldhanko]

I certainly wish they'd make up their minds. The RHS/AOS names for the Cattleya alliance hybrids are a mess.

[CecilyJoTX]

Originally Posted by ronaldhanko

Thanks, Cecily. What part of TX are you from? Used to be in Houston.

Originally from houston, now in Huntsville, at university. Used to be the editor of the HOS newsletter, although my name and many other things were different, then....

-Cj

[CecilyJoTX]

Originally Posted by Jan Pahl

But even If I personally agree with that "splitter" taxonomy, on the mean wile for me Chiron & Castro, Braem, and Campacci & Gutfreund proposals for brazilian laelias are nothing than that, proposals... all possible splitter considerations needs statistically stable genetic clade backup to really offer nomenclature stability….. so is more wise wait before call “Laelia purpurata” Brasilaelia, Hadrolaelia, Chironiella or wathever… Just because we don't agree with lumper "taxonomy" don't signifies we are going to make the same mistakes we are trying to avoid not accepting this "super-cattleya" thing.

To clarify: From a purely morphological point of view, Chiron and Castro makes much more sense to me. Of course, we are all awaiting the technology and science to catch up to our ideals. Either way, for me, i can better conceptualize the subtribe in my mind (especially with mind to pollinator specifics and phytogeography) if I rank things in line with the C & C system.

Besides, the idea of lumping everything south of Honduras into Cattleya, essentially...well...that's just astronomically stupid and confusing.

Again, my not-so-humble opinion.

-Cj

[ronaldhanko]

Originally Posted by CecilyJoTX

Originally from houston, now in Huntsville, at university. Used to be the editor of the HOS newsletter, although my name and many other things were different, then....

-Cj

I also served as editor of the HOS newsletter when we lived in Houston, I think it was in the early 90's that I did it for a couple of years. That was a nice orchid society.

[quiltergal]

OMG! So this means that all of the new hybrids created and registered last year as Rsc. (which would have been Blc.) are now something else?? Oy! Who can keep up with all of this.

[ronaldhanko]

Originally Posted by quiltergal

OMG! So this means that all of the new hybrids created and registered last year as Rsc. (which would have been Blc.) are now something else?? Oy! Who can keep up with all of this.

I don't think it's gone that far yet - that the present names including Rsc. are going to be changed again, but it probably would have been good if the RHS, the registering body had not made all the present changes. There certainly is a lot of question about the present system of nomenclature and to some it is already outdated.

[Royal]

Taxonomists' Creedo: Divide and Prosper

[Rosim_in_BR]

Originally Posted by ronaldhanko

I don't think it's gone that far yet - that the present names including Rsc. are going to be changed again, but it probably would have been good if the RHS, the registering body had not made all the present changes. There certainly is a lot of question about the present system of nomenclature and to some it is already outdated.

You are right, Ron, not yet. But, it's just a matter of time. They are making the arrangements needed in the databases to shelter the new nomenclature. Most of the names of the Cattleya Alliance will deeply change once more. Slc., Lc., Sc., Sl. will become simply Cattleya (except if one of the parents is a Mexican Laelia). Well known artificial generic names like Pot. or Hwksa, and other 'ara' will all disappear. Well, at least they will try. The Sophronitis thing and all the derived changes in the generic names ended up not working. I feel that this Cattleya thing also is not going to work for more than awhile. Time will tell.

[ronaldhanko]

I think Jan is correct - that it would be better to wait for genetic analysis before making these monumental changes that are not widely accepted and that seem to change with each new taxonomist.