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Old 11-19-2008, 09:59 PM
Don Perusse Don Perusse is offline
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Can anyone tell me who the parents of Blc. Goldenzelle 'Passion', which I have in my collection. Someone wants to trade me a Blc Goldenzelle 'Prelude' and was wondering what the difference was before trading. Thanks.
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Old 11-19-2008, 10:29 PM
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its immediate parents are Rsc.Fortune and C. Horace. The Rsc, Fortune is a yellow flower with red highlights in the lip while the C. Horace is a lavender flower with purple and gold in the lip. The Blc (Rsc) Passion is lavnder with gold deep in the throat and purple on the lip. The C. Prelude is yellow with a small bit of purple on the tip of the lip.
I know these descriptions are very amateurish but I am looking at pictures and trying to describe. The both have the same ancestry which is several generations back. I thought this was an interesting search since there are numerous cultivars all looking different beyond the basic 2 colors of the two parents.I looked this up on OrchidWiz 5.05.
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Old 11-19-2008, 11:22 PM
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To clarify (mostly for myself, because I am easily confused) the parents of Rsc. (syn. Blc.) Goldenzelle 'Passion' and Rsc. (syn. Blc.) Goldenzelle 'Prelude' are the same - Rsc. Fortune x C. Horace. Think of the two clones as siblings. The photos of 'Passion' and 'Prelude' are as described above, the first a lavender color, the second mostly yellow. Google yields lots of images of the 'Passion' clone (I searched for "Goldenzelle Passion"), not so many of 'Prelude'.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:52 AM
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Don't quote me on taxonomy, but I believe the names in single quotes are called cultivars. I suspect the parents were hybridized by cross pollination. With such disparate parents, offspring can be the spectrum from one parent to the other and combinations of the two I suspect these two parents have been cross pollinated by several hybridizers since there are so many offspring. Literally pages in OrchidWiz with the same name Goldenzelle but numerous quoted names, ie, cultivars.
I doubt cloning had anything to do with it up to the cultivar stage. Breeding true after that may have entailed using cloning techniques.
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someone with more knowledge, please jump in and help my naive explanation.
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