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Old 01-06-2022, 01:35 PM
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Hi Folks:
May I join the fray? ; -)
I have a Lc bowri-albida 'Kennedys' at home - that's the way it came labeled. It's a very tolerant, reliable plant. (Catt bowringiana X Laelia albida - I have a species L. albida too)

I find at SVO this sentence which I quote here: "The ‘Kennedys’ cultivar variety of Finckeniana has a bit of controversy surrounding its parentage. It may, in fact, be Lc. Bowri-albida (albida x bowringiana)." (Well, huh?)

So, I'm a bit confused. Are any of you? Does anyone really know the true story?

Is Laelia anceps in the picture? or is an L. anceps X L. albida = "Finkeniana" or another named cross? oh, the plot thickens! Not that it makes a difference to me. I'm not throwing out a reliable plant just because she's an 'un-pedigreed mutt' - ha ha!

Thanks for your comments : -) and Happy growing,
Maryanne
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Old 01-06-2022, 02:43 PM
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As you have both plants, a photo of the pseudobulbs would be of great help.
Growing at the same place with the care of the same grower, there should be an evident difference.

The anceps I had, had a creeping, long distanced rhizom.
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Old 01-07-2022, 11:25 AM
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Hi Folks:
May I join the fray? ; -)
I have a Lc bowri-albida 'Kennedys' at home - that's the way it came labeled. It's a very tolerant, reliable plant. (Catt bowringiana X Laelia albida - I have a species L. albida too)

I find at SVO this sentence which I quote here: "The ‘Kennedys’ cultivar variety of Finckeniana has a bit of controversy surrounding its parentage. It may, in fact, be Lc. Bowri-albida (albida x bowringiana)." (Well, huh?)

So, I'm a bit confused. Are any of you? Does anyone really know the true story?

Is Laelia anceps in the picture? or is an L. anceps X L. albida = "Finkeniana" or another named cross? oh, the plot thickens! Not that it makes a difference to me. I'm not throwing out a reliable plant just because she's an 'un-pedigreed mutt' - ha ha!

Thanks for your comments : -) and Happy growing,
Maryanne
I was not aware of Fred's (SVO) comment, which I understand to be his, and perhaps several other experienced growers, suspicion. Let me add to this:

There are a number of orchids, which have been mis-identified over the years. In some cases it was likely innocent mistakes (I see plants with incorrect labels in every show I attend). In other cases, it was likely intentional. Three prime examples:

The widely distributed C. walkeriana 'Kenny' FCC/AOS. This plant is now recoginized as being C. Snow Blind (= C. Angelwalker x C. walkeriana). I have no idea whether this was an innocent or intentional mistake. At some point the AOS officially reviewed the case, and changed the award to being to Snow Blind.

There is a widely distributed Phagmipedium schlimii 'Birchwood' AM/AOS. The plant is actually a hybrid (Phrag. Cardinale), but this lower level award has never been officially corrected. Thus, plants are still sold as being Phrag. schlimii.

At one of the Greater NY OS shows, one of the vendors was offering Paph. Sugar Suite for sale (this was back around 2005-2007). That hybrid is (emersonii x niveum). However, on the side the vendor told me that he suspected that his plants were actually (hangianum x niveum), due to the larger flower size and slighly different coloration.

At that time neither hangianum, nor any of it's hybrids, could legally be sold in the US. So, the overseas producer of the seedling flasks intentionally mis-labelled them in order to get them into the US.

Now, to get back to x finckeniana 'Kennedy's' question. Bowringiana hybrids usually show an easily recognized plant structure (especially as new growths start), and I do not see any of that in this particular plant. I guess that it is possible for albida to dominate bowringiana totally, but it is contrary to the many other bowringiana hybrids I have seen (and have in my collection).

The only way to positively determine this, would be DNA analysis - we just need to find someone willing to pay for it.
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Old 01-07-2022, 12:54 PM
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Hi Folks:
I find at SVO this sentence which I quote here: "The ‘Kennedys’ cultivar variety of Finckeniana has a bit of controversy surrounding its parentage. It may, in fact, be Lc. Bowri-albida (albida x bowringiana)." (Well, huh?)
That's interesting - I wonder if anyone has remade that cross.

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