Laelia albida x Laelia anceps

[Grautier]

I don't understand your reasoning.

If you want to buy milk and you are fine with uht-brick-milk, than that is your choice. (If you are free to choice, that is.)

If you want milk that has seen a cow, than your choice is different. And the differences matter. Ask your gut.

[Shadeflower]

I also do not understand your reasoning graut lol.

You are making it sound like UHT milk hasn't come from a cow but UHT milk is the same milk that has been pasteurised. It came from a cow just the same

UHT Milk = Ultra high temperature milk. Not made in a machine, just heated.

[Dusty Ol' Man]

Nit picking.

[SouthPark]

Originally Posted by Fairorchids

Teaching moment: The natural hybrid has an 'x' between the genus and epithet, which is all lower case = Laelia x finckeniana, while the man made hybrid has no 'x' and the Epithet is capitalized = Laelia Finckeniana.

I'm just wondering if the single letter 'x' and the name 'finckeniana' are treated as a single label
----- such as 'x finckeniana'

The lower-casing and upper-casing scheme just seems ridiculous right here --- such as L. x finckeniana versus L. Finckeniana

----- as the lower case labels are generally reserved for species plants.

[Jeff214]

Do you know the lineage of L. Finckeniana 'George' HCC/AOS? I really like the concolor form of L. x finckeniana 'Kennedy' but I haven't really seen one that looks remotely close to it. Mine is basically a smaller L. anceps!

[Roberta]

I have several L. Finckeniana from SVO that were made with different L. anceps varieties with the hope of getting different L. Finckeniana forms. The only one that picked up special form was one made with L. anceps lineata 'Disciplinada' (which has strong streaks in the segments, often with a bit of yellow). That came through. Now, it is possible that the different forms will show more as they are bred on... Remains to be seen. But at any rate, a very robust and floriferous primary in all of its incarnations.

[Fairorchids]

Originally Posted by SouthPark

I'm just wondering if the single letter 'x' and the name 'finckeniana' are treated as a single label
----- such as 'x finckeniana'

The lower-casing and upper-casing scheme just seems ridiculous right here --- such as L. x finckeniana versus L. Finckeniana

----- as the lower case labels are generally reserved for species plants.

I believe it is an attempt at showing the natural hybrid, as differentiated from a manmade grex. Considering that the natural hybrids sometimes arise in an area, where two species have interbred extensively (a 'hybrid swarm'), such plants can differ markedly from a manmade A x B hybrid.

---------- Post added at 07:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:29 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Jeff214

Do you know the lineage of L. Finckeniana 'George' HCC/AOS? I really like the concolor form of L. x finckeniana 'Kennedy' but I haven't really seen one that looks remotely close to it. Mine is basically a smaller L. anceps!

The award dates back to 1990, at the Pacific South Judging Center, and the exhibitor was Truford Orchids (I have never seen this name before). I don't know whether there is any way to track down the lineage.

[SouthPark]

Originally Posted by Fairorchids

I believe it is an attempt at showing the natural hybrid, as differentiated from a manmade grex. Considering that the natural hybrids sometimes arise in an area, where two species have interbred extensively (a 'hybrid swarm'), such plants can differ markedly from a manmade A x B hybrid.

Thanks for adding to that Kim.

Maybe beginning to make sense now - after having seeing this link here. They reckon that it is a species. So I assume it originated from a natural cross between two species, but it also (itself) became a species.

Maybe a case similar to the one of L. x gouldiana. And maybe
the difference (maybe!) is that nobody made a L. Gouldiana.

[Fairorchids]

Originally Posted by SouthPark

Thanks for adding to that Kim.

Maybe beginning to make sense now - after having seeing this link here. They reckon that it is a species. So I assume it originated from a natural cross between two species, but it also (itself) became a species.

Maybe a case to the one of L. x gouldiana. And maybe the difference (maybe!) is that nobody made a L. Gouldiana.

Whoever wrote that piece (link), did not understand the difference between a hybrid and a species. Finckeniana is a known hybrid between anceps & albida.

Manmade Finckeniana is always 50/50, provided that it is made with pure species.

The natural hybrids (= x finckeniana) could be a mix ranging from 99/1 to 1/99, as:
A. We do not know the exact parents of any plant found in the wild.
B. In a hybrid swarm, there can be F1 (= 50/50), F2 (= 25/75, 50/50 or 75/25), F3, F4, and so forth plants.
The further we get away from F1, the ratio can be just about anything.

[SouthPark]

Originally Posted by Fairorchids

Whoever wrote that piece (link), did not understand the difference between a hybrid and a species.

Oh geez. Thanks Kim. It's their fault!