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Also note (which we know already hahaha) that old roots can sprout off-shoots (such as new roots coming out somewhere along the old root), and these roots latch or attach/stick themselves onto media pieces (bark, wood, rock etc).

So once some new roots start to grow, and enough roots grow, then the orchid will eventually become nicely anchored.
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I think the ramming is left over from the days of using osmunda fern fiber for orchids. They packed that in as tightly as possible. I have an English greenhouse and stove book from 1895, which describes this.
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I think the ramming is left over from the days of using osmunda fern fiber for orchids. They packed that in as tightly as possible. I have an English greenhouse and stove book from 1895, which describes this.
Good point... firming up a potting job in osmunda with one's thumbs would be mighty painful - the stuff is sharp. But we have moved on. (It may have been great for Catts but it's mostly unavailable now, and unsustainable to produce)

Of course, in 1895 people were trying to grow orchids in overheated stove houses on the assumption that they all came from hot, steamy jungles...and wondering why a lot of them died. We have learned a few things since then.
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Of course, in 1895 people were trying to grow orchids in overheated stove houses on the assumption that they all came from hot, steamy jungles...and wondering why a lot of them died. We have learned a few things since then.
Certainly have! It's thanks to those people and everybody (including you and OrchidBoard members, and other growers around the world) that have helped us get to where we are now.

But interestingly, even with our technology and information, still a significant number of new orchid growers probably aren't armed with the general most important details for starting up.

I'm thinking that - like all decent manuals - have a manual where the front page of the manual says --- 'Stop!! READ THESE details first ........'

Eg. Regular orchid roots can/will die of oxygen starvation if left wet for relatively long periods of time. So this means (to the reader, not to us) do something that prevents the roots from staying wet for relatively long periods of time. Regular orchid roots MIGHT slowly adapt gradually over time to fully wet conditions, or NEW orchid roots CAN/WILL adapt to fully wet conditions ------ but should always initially assume that regular orchid roots won't handle being wet for relatively long periods of time. So this means (to the readers) that we shouldn't do things like dunk orchid roots into water and then to leave them in that water permanently - wrongly thinking that the orchid roots will nicely handle those underwater conditions. Also wrongly thinking they can pot a new regular orchid into a relatively deep pot filled with bark, and then make the bark so wet that it takes a couple of weeks or more for the bark to dry out. Or to put bits or chunks of sphagnum in among the media (such as bark) - and wrongly think that the wet sphagnum in among the roots is going to help the roots nicely.

And also put in the big reminder about - maintain suitable (recommended) growing temperatures (ranges), lighting level and lighting duration, humidity etc.

One problem is ----- even when some readers have been taught, or they have read the basics, some will still grow their orchid with 1 or more of the basic requirements not met ----- for example, cold and wet roots scenario. Temperature requirement not met. Wet roots for too long (for regular roots).

Sure - there are always exceptions (for the growing experts). But I think that all manuals (not just orchid manuals) should have a front page that gives a rundown on the most important warnings - to start with - before getting into the rest of things. It changes the classical order (way of doing things) ------ but I notice that it's the life story of manuals to hide important warnings. They should actually be placed right up there at the front. Up front.


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Hahahaha, YES! I am gonna quote that


To the OP, I use a very similar mix to you and you cannot really contact it at all, all you could be doing is crushing your perlite and thus making it less effective and possibly creating dust

I would also recommend mechanical support and I use metal clips across the bottom of the plant. I have a lot of really tall orchids so I have to make sure they don’t want to topple over (huge heavy pots and heavy medium) and if they do fall, I want them to stay stable.
(It’s quite windy here and one of my dogs is a lizard chasing A-hole with no respect!!!

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I just reported these two cattleyas. I read online that the media should be compacted enough that you can lift it by its stalk and it shouldn’t come out of the pot. I have really compacted the media quite well but they are still a little wobbly when I lift them. The smaller one would come out if I held it too long.

Wondering if it’s because there is not enough small bark in my media? I mixed medium and small bark, sponge rock, hydroton and charcoal. Or maybe they should be potted deeper?

Any tips/suggestions are much appreciated!

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I actually Don’t use bark at all in my mix For catts so they can have more air and they don’t need to be reported...ever. Just dropped into a bigger pot

I use the bark for dens and phals in the mix but not catts

You could swap lava rock for the bark in my neighborhood and with my watering habits
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